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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    A gentle reminder to you, Leo: The war was really won on the Eastern front. No nation sacrificed more to win the war against the Nazis than the Soviet Union, and yet they somehow went unmentioned by either you or HayJenn.
    From what little I know; you are absolutely correct to credit the Russians with the lion's share of credit for the defeat of Hitler's forces. But in defence of Hay Jenn, and myself, were not the Russians part of the allies? Was it notable that neither of us mentioned the Australians, the Canadians, the New Zealanders, the Indians, the South Africans, the Malayans, the Burmese, the Poles, the Free French, etc. individually? The term 'allies' encompassed them all, even if the term 'Commonwealth' did not, and the Soviet forces fought against the Germans after the invasion of Russia in June, 1941 - only six months before the USA's entry into the conflict. I am not in the business of awarding sole credit to any nation, it was a co-operative enterprise, and the death of any soldier, as well as the efforts of every living man, was as important as any other. Equal respect should be afforded the members of the German, Italian and Japanese military who fought as bravely and well for what they believed to be their duty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...wii/676822002/
    Sometimes I think they don't make men like this anymore. But I've been reading Outlaw Platoon about a platoon fighting in Afghanistan and I think as long as we have men like this, we'll be ok.
    Thank God we have men ready to answer the call.

    Oh, they make them, we do not hear about them very often. I have talked to enough Iraq/ Afghanistan Vetsto know what they went through.

    Keep in mind many of the Hero’sin WW 2 were drafted 18 year olds. Scared to death, but they had no choice. Today they do.

    But keep in mind those 18 year olds, joined by older men later won that war.

    Right now we are still in a 16 Year War with Leaders ranting about faux Patriotism and right now,I am listening to a bill to legalize Pot! Stupid,stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryPorter View Post
    LMAO, you just can't beat awesome.
    Good God! The Germans were our enemy then! Who do you think we were fighting when we went into Normandy Beach? And all the way across Europe after that? We sure as hell were not loving them. But the Germans were grateful when we saved them!

    Germans were not our friends until after the War when the Marshall Plan helped them rebuild!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo2 View Post
    From what little I know; you are absolutely correct to credit the Russians with the lion's share of credit for the defeat of Hitler's forces. But in defence of Hay Jenn, and myself, were not the Russians part of the allies? Was it notable that neither of us mentioned the Australians, the Canadians, the New Zealanders, the Indians, the South Africans, the Malayans, the Burmese, the Poles, the Free French, etc. individually? The term 'allies' encompassed them all, even if the term 'Commonwealth' did not, and the Soviet forces fought against the Germans after the invasion of Russia in June, 1941 - only six months before the USA's entry into the conflict. I am not in the business of awarding sole credit to any nation, it was a co-operative enterprise, and the death of any soldier, as well as the efforts of every living man, was as important as any other. Equal respect should be afforded the members of the German, Italian and Japanese military who fought as bravely and well for what they believed to be their duty.
    To think a 20 Year Old knows more about History than many in this thread. Thank you, Leo once again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    "We're here to mark that day in history when the Allied peoples joined in battle to reclaim this continent to liberty. For four long years, much of Europe had been under a terrible shadow. Free nations had fallen, Jews cried out in the camps, millions cried out for liberation. Europe was enslaved, and the world prayed for its rescue. Here in Normandy the rescue began. Here the Allies stood and fought against tyranny in a giant undertaking unparalleled in human history.

    We stand on a lonely, windswept point on the northern shore of France. The air is soft, but forty years ago at this moment, the air was dense with smoke and the cries of men, and the air was filled with the crack of rifle fire and the roar of cannon. At dawn, on the morning of the 6th of June 1944, 225 Rangers jumped off the British landing craft and ran to the bottom of these cliffs. Their mission was one of the most difficult and daring of the invasion: to climb these sheer and desolate cliffs and take out the enemy guns. The Allies had been told that some of the mightiest of these guns were here and they would be trained on the beaches to stop the Allied advance.

    The Rangers looked up and saw the enemy soldiers -- at the edge of the cliffs shooting down at them with machine-guns and throwing grenades. And the American Rangers began to climb. They shot rope ladders over the face of these cliffs and began to pull themselves up. When one Ranger fell, another would take his place. When one rope was cut, a Ranger would grab another and begin his climb again. They climbed, shot back, and held their footing. Soon, one by one, the Rangers pulled themselves over the top, and in seizing the firm land at the top of these cliffs, they began to seize back the continent of Europe. Two hundred and twenty-five came here. After two days of fighting only ninety could still bear arms.

    Behind me is a memorial that symbolizes the Ranger daggers that were thrust into the top of these cliffs. And before me are the men who put them there.

    These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc. These are the men who took the cliffs. These are the champions who helped free a continent. These are the heroes who helped end a war.
    Gentlemen, I look at you and I think of the words of Stephen Spender's poem. You are men who in your 'lives fought for life...and left the vivid air signed with your honor'...
    Forty summers have passed since the battle that you fought here. You were young the day you took these cliffs; some of you were hardly more than boys, with the deepest joys of life before you. Yet you risked everything here. Why? Why did you do it? What impelled you to put aside the instinct for self-preservation and risk your lives to take these cliffs? What inspired all the men of the armies that met here? We look at you, and somehow we know the answer. It was faith, and belief; it was loyalty and love.

    The men of Normandy had faith that what they were doing was right, faith that they fought for all humanity, faith that a just God would grant them mercy on this beachhead or on the next. It was the deep knowledge -- and pray God we have not lost it -- that there is a profound moral difference between the use of force for liberation and the use of force for conquest. You were here to liberate, not to conquer, and so you and those others did not doubt your cause. And you were right not to doubt.

    You all knew that some things are worth dying for. One's country is worth dying for, and democracy is worth dying for, because it's the most deeply honorable form of government ever devised by man. All of you loved liberty. All of you were willing to fight tyranny, and you knew the people of your countries were behind you."
    McDuff, that sounds so honorable but I can assure you none of those landing on Normandy Beaches thought all those noble thoughts. They were scared to death,trying just to stay alive.

    Like the one I lived with that watched the second man in front of him step on a land mine, blown to pieces, the second man horribly wounded, the third had pieces of shrapnel taken out at the Hospital but still managed to march across Europe to Germany. You should have jpheard the Chaplain describe the horror they went through while270 old men sat on a stage to get their Medal of Valour. Many of their Sons and daughters accepted for their Fathers. Mine was one of them.

    They slogged through the water and mud,parachuted into the Beach, shot down by those machine guns.

    No movie is fact, they are glorified stories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I agree that helicopters would have made that assault easier but I wonder how they would have withstood the withering antiaircraft fire they would have sustained going over the beaches??

    The troop carriers are slow moving targets.
    Well the helicopters aren't limited to crossing beaches capable of supporting amphibious landings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by publius3 View Post
    Well the helicopters aren't limited to crossing beaches capable of supporting amphibious landings.
    Guys, we are talking WW 2 here. 1940’s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    McDuff, that sounds so honorable but I can assure you none of those landing on Normandy Beaches thought all those noble thoughts. They were scared to death,trying just to stay alive.

    Like the one I lived with that watched the second man in front of him step on a land mine, blown to pieces, the second man horribly wounded, the third had pieces of shrapnel taken out at the Hospital but still managed to march across Europe to Germany. You should have jpheard the Chaplain describe the horror they went through while270 old men sat on a stage to get their Medal of Valour. Many of their Sons and daughters accepted for their Fathers. Mine was one of them.

    They slogged through the water and mud,parachuted into the Beach, shot down by those machine guns.

    No movie is fact, they are glorified stories.
    Tell us more about those guys who "parachuted into the Beach" on D-Day.

    Never saw that in any of those movies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    Tell us more about those guys who "parachuted into the Beach" on D-Day.

    Never saw that in any of those movies...
    Again you show your ignorance of facts. Not surprising.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amer...gs_in_Normandy
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    Again you show your ignorance of facts. Not surprising.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amer...gs_in_Normandy
    Oh yeah, we had lots of troopers who parachuted into Normandy inland.

    It's the "parachuted into the Beach" part that is surprising.

    There should be a movie so that we can learn all about how many "parachuted into the Beach".

    And, thanks for the kind words!

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