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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Media Critic View Post
    Didn't Gates state something about the Chinese have a missile designed to specifically take out a Carrier? Plus we know the Chinese has their Sub, too. That now could deliver that knockout blow.
    Meh. They're not the only ones. Taiwan announced a "Carrier Killer" missle the same day the Chinese carrier launched. I'm sure plenty of other nations in that corner of the world have something similar - Japan, S Korea, etc.

    Can it now send a landing strip to new and interesting places? Absolutely. But until they have a force protection and support fleet for the carrier, it's a new "look at me!" toy more than anything. I'm curious to see whether they hammered out fleet doctrine first and then acquired the craft, or whether they're going to build the fleet and then learn how to use it the hard way. Unless your anti-missile and anti-sub doctrine is pretty mature, a carrier is just a huge target. And an expensive waste of steel and men if you lose it in a hurry.

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    This does need to be addressed and soon.

    We need to increase our Military, double the size of all branches. Triple the amount we currently spend on Defense. Thank God we have American loving Repubs in the House of Reps.

    25 fleet carriers should be a good start I would think. I mean come on China is a deadly threat as we currently only have about 10 more Fleets then they do.

    This could very well be the next Cold War, gentlemen. China will fund it with the interest they receive from loaning us money.

    Its imperative we balance our budget in 2 years and pay off our debt in 5, all without raising taxes and cutting any Defense spending.

    Time to lean forward in the Saddle, my fellow Americans. You Libs have had 50+ years more or less of running the Nation, time for Repubs and Teabaggers to get their 1/2 Century.

    You won't recognize America after they do, I tell ya....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    What's it matter if a missle is designed specifically to take out a carrier? If the missile has enough penetrating power and enough high explosives it's just a matter of how many it will take and where they impact.
    To me it would matter if the missile could be launched from the ground or from the air. As we already know a Sub can sink anything that floats. The way Gates was talking about it.....it's something out of the ordinary. But I didnt get much info on such. Like I stated this is already with the known perimeters of the Carrier Force and those designed to protect the carrier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiteGuy View Post
    Meh. They're not the only ones. Taiwan announced a "Carrier Killer" missle the same day the Chinese carrier launched. I'm sure plenty of other nations in that corner of the world have something similar - Japan, S Korea, etc.

    Can it now send a landing strip to new and interesting places? Absolutely. But until they have a force protection and support fleet for the carrier, it's a new "look at me!" toy more than anything. I'm curious to see whether they hammered out fleet doctrine first and then acquired the craft, or whether they're going to build the fleet and then learn how to use it the hard way. Unless your anti-missile and anti-sub doctrine is pretty mature, a carrier is just a huge target. And an expensive waste of steel and men if you lose it in a hurry.
    Well we do know they have subs.....so that is part of the protection. They do not have a Deep Blue Fleet as of yet. But throwing some destroyers around a carrier would not be difficult for them. Especially if they were to go into mass production on the Destoyer. I think more and more Navies are looking for specialty ships to put with carrier fleets. Gone are the days of battleships and supercruisers. I do know they were questioning about Amphibious Assualts and landings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaragunudgeyon View Post
    I believe it has to have a "ski jump" because it hasn't got a catapult system.

    snicker.

    China has sooo far to go.. At least 50 years behind. No offensive threat whatsoever.
    Never underestimate the sleeping giant.

    I can remember seeing a clip how people howled and made fun of a couple of figure skaters in China's first entry into the Olympic games. You can't make fun of them now in the Olympics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiteGuy View Post
    Meh. They're not the only ones. Taiwan announced a "Carrier Killer" missle the same day the Chinese carrier launched. I'm sure plenty of other nations in that corner of the world have something similar - Japan, S Korea, etc.

    Can it now send a landing strip to new and interesting places? Absolutely. But until they have a force protection and support fleet for the carrier, it's a new "look at me!" toy more than anything. I'm curious to see whether they hammered out fleet doctrine first and then acquired the craft, or whether they're going to build the fleet and then learn how to use it the hard way. Unless your anti-missile and anti-sub doctrine is pretty mature, a carrier is just a huge target. And an expensive waste of steel and men if you lose it in a hurry.
    My thoughts exactly. And considering the eyes in the sky now vs. WWII they can't hide even with periods of cloud cover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Never underestimate the sleeping giant.

    I can remember seeing a clip how people howled and made fun of a couple of figure skaters in China's first entry into the Olympic games. You can't make fun of them now in the Olympics.
    The sleeping giant just might die before it wakes up, in it's own filth, it's own pollution, it's own nationalism.

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    China thinks they have a carrier killer. They THINK it cannot be shot down. That's all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaragunudgeyon View Post
    The sleeping giant just might die before it wakes up, in it's own filth, it's own pollution, it's own nationalism.
    Sounds like the U.S. during the Industrial revolution in regards to pollution. Heck we still dump raw domestic and industrial sewage into our major waterways during heavy rain events, due to antiquated storms drains running directly into our sewage treatment plants, which causes them to overflow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    My thoughts exactly. And considering the eyes in the sky now vs. WWII they can't hide even with periods of cloud cover.
    true. the ultimate highground is now space.. A war between major nations will start with taking out satellites and internet capability.

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