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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    None remain? That's certainly not the impression I have. I thought aboriginal rights, etc. was a hot topic in Australia.
    That's none remain in the Americas. It's sort of like the current Eskimos who replaced the Dorset people who were there before them. Replaced is basically an euphemism for killed off. The brilliant point I was trying to make was "replacing" people was never a crime in history until modern western culture decided it was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    That's none remain in the Americas. It's sort of like the current Eskimos who replaced the Dorset people who were there before them. Replaced is basically an euphemism for killed off. The brilliant point I was trying to make was "replacing" people was never a crime in history until modern western culture decided it was.
    How would we know it was never a crime?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzareta View Post
    How would we know it was never a crime?
    Well it's a crime if people agree it's a crime. I don't think, for example, the Romans thought it was a crime to conquer the world but we would today agree it is a crime to conquer the world. Of course some Romans may have thought it was a crime but had no effect on the issue and may have been put to death for their views, just for entertainment, which was generally considered OK at the time too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    Well it's a crime if people agree it's a crime. I don't think, for example, the Romans thought it was a crime to conquer the world but we would today agree it is a crime to conquer the world. Of course some Romans may have thought it was a crime but had no effect on the issue and may have been put to death for their views, just for entertainment, which was generally considered OK at the time too.
    There was more to the world than just Rome. Do you think that only those doing the conquering should have the say on whether it's a crime or not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzareta View Post
    There was more to the world than just Rome. Do you think that only those doing the conquering should have the say on whether it's a crime or not?
    I'd say that is a modern thought and as a modern person a legitimate question but back then it was essentially might is right. So if you were a modern Roman of 62AD you wouldn't be asking that question. If you were an Egyptian of that era you might think it was a crime to be conquered but you would be sending your grain crops to Rome anyway, at least till you could overthrow the Romans and conquer them, assuming you could get help from some of the territories Egypt had conquered. btw I don't think that old way of reasoning is extinct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    I'd say that is a modern thought and as a modern person a legitimate question but back then it was essentially might is right. So if you were a modern Roman of 62AD you wouldn't be asking that question. If you were an Egyptian of that era you might think it was a crime to be conquered but you would be sending your grain crops to Rome anyway, at least till you could overthrow the Romans and conquer them, assuming you could get help from some of the territories Egypt had conquered. btw I don't think that old way of reasoning is extinct.
    Is anyone going to reply to my question about aboriginal people in Australia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Is anyone going to reply to my question about aboriginal people in Australia?
    Yes I already tried to but my communication skills may be ineffective. Suffice it to say Australia aborigines are doing Ok which is more than can be said about American aborigines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I think we likely did kill off all the native Hawaiians. In some ways, their story is more shocking than any other genocidal campaign against a Native American tribe, and I rarely meet anyone who knows it. It is never part of any public school curriculum.

    You'd almost think they never existed.
    I have it on good authority (MULTIPLE postcards) that Hawaiians are well endowed blonde women with blue eyes and scant clothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    Yes I already tried to but my communication skills may be ineffective. Suffice it to say Australia aborigines are doing Ok which is more than can be said about American aborigines.
    European aborigines seems to be doing alright though.Chinese aborigines too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    None remain? That's certainly not the impression I have. I thought aboriginal rights, etc. was a hot topic in Australia.
    Aboriginal rights ARE a big topic in Australia, which means that of COURSE there are many surviving aborigines. However, the Tasmanians were completely wiped out by the British, in what must be accounted as one of history's most effective genocides. The last full-blooded Tasmanian, a woman by the name of Truganini, died in 1912. The Australian rock group Midnight Oil has a song titled 'Truganini', which I think is one of the most compelling protest songs I have heard in recent decades. Worth checking out.

    The Tasmanians were the closest thing to a 'pure race' in the world, as they had been isolated from the rest of humanity....and even from the Australian aboriginies....for TEN THOUSAND YEARS!!

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