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    Yes the Papacy declared a crusade in the 16th century and formed a Holy League.
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    No, you said that the Fall of Constantinople took place five hundred years after Lepanto.

    Lepanto took place more than a hundred years after Constantinople fell, which makes you more than 600 years off

    You don't know History

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    Quote Originally Posted by PopeADope View Post
    Yes the Papacy declared a crusade in the 16th century and formed a Holy League.
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    No, you said that the Fall of Constantinople took place five hundred years after Lepanto.

    Lepanto took place more than a hundred years after, which makes you more than 600 years off

    You don't know History
    You're the one trying to suggest that the reconquista of Spain was a Crusade. Lepanto bore little resemblance to the conflicts over foreign lands called by the Pope and called the Crusades. What historical reference (other than you) calls Lepanto a "crusade"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    You're the one trying to suggest that the reconquista of Spain was a Crusade. Lepanto bore little resemblance to the conflicts over foreign lands called by the Pope and called the Crusades. What historical reference (other than you) calls Lepanto a "crusade"?
    I just gave you a link. Pope Pius V called for a " crusade" and a holy league and appointed Don Juan of Austria illegitimate son of Holy Roman Emperor Charles V to lead the Holy League

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    I just gave you a link. Pope Pius V called for a " crusade"
    Your source doesn't say that. Your SOURCE called it a crusade (rather casually, like an off-hand description). It provides no evidence that the pope called it that.

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    Direct quote from the link " Pius’s call for a new crusade."

    Not to mention it was multiple different nations including the papacy involved in the battle, and the papacy formed the Holy league and appointed Don Juan of Austria. It absolutely was a crusade in every way.

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    It is simply stating the fact that if Christians didn't unite against Islamic aggression, they would have all been on their face five times a day facing mecca, deprived of freedom, and Europe would be a Muslim Continent.
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    So, if Pope Francis in the next month ralleys Christians from multiple different European nations and formed his own holy league, and appointed the leadership to battle muslims, we would say that isn't a crusade?

    Yeah... OK *rolls eyes*

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    Quote Originally Posted by PopeADope View Post
    Direct quote from the link " Pius’s call for a new crusade."
    Yes, but those are the author's words, not the Pope's.

    Not to mention it was multiple different nations including the papacy involved in the battle, and the papacy formed the Holy league and appointed Don Juan of Austria. It absolutely was a crusade in every way.
    I checked out the main source your source is based on (Chesterton, scholar.google.com is your friend) and he claims that several sources call Lepanto "the last battle of the last crusade." That's a historical judgment I'll accept. But I don't know how that one particular battle, coming as the tail end of dozen conflicts, can justify all the wars that came before.
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    My favorite Crusade, Crusaders sacking Constantinople, the Christian Capitol of the Byzantine Empire

    The Crusaders looted, terrorized, and vandalized Constantinople for three days, during which many ancient and medieval Roman and Greek works were either stolen or destroyed. The famous bronze horses from the Hippodrome were sent back to adorn the façade of St Mark's Basilica in Venice, where they remain. As well as being stolen, works of immeasurable artistic value were destroyed merely for their material value. One of the most precious works to suffer such a fate was a large bronze statue of Hercules, created by the legendary Lysippos, court sculptor of no less than Alexander the Great. Like so many other priceless artworks made of bronze, the statue was melted down for its content by the Crusaders. The great Library of Constantinople was destroyed as well.[9]

    Despite their oaths and the threat of excommunication, the Crusaders systematically violated the city's holy sanctuaries, destroying or stealing all they could lay hands on; nothing was spared, not even the tombs of the emperors inside the St Apostles church.[citation needed] The civilian population of Constantinople were subject to the Crusaders' ruthless lust for spoils and glory; thousands of them were killed in cold blood.[citation needed] Women, even nuns, were raped by the Crusader army, which also sacked churches, monasteries and convents.[citation needed] The very altars of these churches were smashed and torn to pieces for their gold and marble by the warriors who had sworn to fight in service of the Pope without question.[citation needed] Although the Venetians engaged in looting too, their actions were far more restrained.[citation needed] Doge Dandolo still appeared to have far more control over his men. Rather than wantonly destroying all around like their comrades, the Venetians stole religious relics and works of art, which they would later take to Venice to adorn their own churches.

    It was said that the total amount looted from Constantinople was about 900,000 silver marks, or 600,000 troy pounds.[citation needed] The Venetians received 150,000 silver marks that was their due and the Crusaders received 50,000 silver marks. A further 100,000 silver marks were divided evenly between the Crusaders and Venetians. The remaining 500,000 silver marks were secretly kept back by many Crusader knights. Meanwhile, Latin residents of Constantinople exacted their own retribution for the Massacre of the Latins of 1182.[10]
    Such good guys. They deserve our applause

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_...tinople_(1204)
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