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    Nah Muslims weren't doing much, it's just they conquered so many nations and so many nations were drawn into conflict, it was like a world war.

    Also, let's not forget that there are to this day a lot of heads and hands cut off, terrorist attacks, and women stoned to death and stripped of Rights in many of these countries that they had Conquered.

    Meaning the Islamic conquest at that time is still ruining millions of lives to this day.

    Meaning the more land Christians could have reconquered from Muslims at that time, the merrier those lands would be today , for their people would have far more freedom and higher quality of life today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Under most theories, the first crusade might have been just, but after that they were a cluster*ck.
    Not even sure I'd buy the first one, considering how Jews got treated during that war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_..._the_Rhineland

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    Quote Originally Posted by PopeADope View Post
    Nah Muslims weren't doing much, it's just they conquered so many nations and so many nations were drawn into conflict, it was like a world war.

    Also, let's not forget that there are to this day a lot of heads and hands cut off, terrorist attacks, and women stoned to death and stripped of Rights in many of these countries that they had Conquered.

    Meaning the Islamic conquest at that time is still ruining millions of lives to this day.

    Meaning the more land Christians could have reconquered from Muslims at that time, the merrier those lands would be today , for their people would have far more freedom and higher quality of life today.
    So you clearly haven't heard of Charlemagne or know what happened to those early medieval Europeans who didn't care to join the Christians. Or the burning at the stake and other brave punishments aimed at converting the infidel and the heretic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    So you clearly haven't heard of Charlemagne or know what happened to those early medieval Europeans who didn't care to join the Christians. Or the burning at the stake and other brave punishments aimed at converting the infidel and the heretic.
    Obviously I have. The EU even named their headquarters the "Charlemagne building ". Kinda creepy eh?

    However, my point was that even if corrupt people like Charlemagne had gone into the nations Muslims had conquered, reconquered them, and outlawed Islam, those nations would be better places and more free today.

    Christian Governments don't do that anymore. Muslims do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PopeADope View Post
    Obviously I have. The EU even named their headquarters the "Charlemagne building ". Kinda creepy eh?

    However, my point was that even if corrupt people like Charlemagne had gone into the nations Muslims had conquered, reconquered them, and outlawed Islam, those nations would be better places and more free today.

    Christian Governments don't do that anymore. Muslims do.
    There are no "Christian governments." There are secular governments who became secular because Christians appalled themselves at the horrible things they could do when they tried to restrict each other's religion. Compare the "Christian governments" of medieval and early modern Europe to Muslim governments in the same period or later--you'll find the level of freedom was similar, maybe a little better on the Islamic side.

    It's modernity and secularism that reformed what you're calling the Christian world.
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    Every Conquistador had an Inquisitor with them to convert or kill the Native Americans in the Spanish Crusade to conquer the New world for Christianity. Much, much nicer than the Muslims....
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    By Christian Gov I meant Government with a Christian majority. Most of our congress and senate is Christian.

    I guess Lebanon never has a Christian Gov , but there were times when Christians made up the majority and it did make it better for a lot of people.

    Yes, Christians did appalling things but it was also the church that brought healthcare, hospitals, schools, and charity organizations to feed the hungry, give shelter to the homeless, orphanages etc.

    No Christian can find anything in the teachings of Christ to justify cruelty. He preached the Golden rule and to love even your enemies.

    That is something else critics of Christianity leave out

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    What we are not taught about Crusades

    I have kept out of this load of old anti-Muslim BS...

    "neither the northern nor the southern 'crusades' were against Islam, that's what is not taught about the crusades"

    what we have here is just evil propaganda against Islam and the Jews, cos you cant talk about the crusades with out talking about the slaughter of the Jews

    What we are not taught about Crusades, is just how useful they were for the anti-Muslim bigots to get their rocks off... the sick feckers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    It's modernity and secularism that reformed what you're calling the Christian world.
    That's the point that a lot of people gloss over. It's very easy to look at so called "Christian" nations and remark how liberated and tolerant they are, and how they don't allow religion to interfere with science, or medicine, or government, or philosophy, or the arts... and on and on, and think that it's some inherent quality within Christianity that makes it this way. What they are really proud of is the fact that their religion, which once dominated all of those things and more, has been beaten into a small corner of public life by a conscious and deliberate (and very beneficial) effort make religion something that has little power over anything important in society.

    If there was ever a good case study of what happens when societies overthrow the grip of religion over all of public life, the European Enlightenment is it. Hopefully the Muslim world's enlightenment will come soon.

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    Actually we were taught constantly about Christian atrocities against Jews, yet Muslim atrocities not mentioned.

    BTW, Arab Muslims as general rule hate Jews and want to see Israel wiped out, and tried to do so many times.

    I have met plenty of non -Arab American muslims, and they are also antisemitic and usually for Sharia law.

    Last Somalian I asked if we should stone adulterers, he said ( matter-of-factly) "yeah, it's in the Koran. The bitch shouldn't be cheating "!

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