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    Quote Originally Posted by PopeADope View Post
    By Christian Gov I meant Government with a Christian majority. Most of our congress and senate is Christian.

    I guess Lebanon never has a Christian Gov , but there were times when Christians made up the majority and it did make it better for a lot of people.

    Yes, Christians did appalling things but it was also the church that brought healthcare, hospitals, schools, and charity organizations to feed the hungry, give shelter to the homeless, orphanages etc.

    No Christian can find anything in the teachings of Christ to justify cruelty. He preached the Golden rule and to love even your enemies.

    That is something else critics of Christianity leave out
    you are talking more of your twisted BS... go read the records of 'Church Courts', all based upon 'the teachings of Christ' and the bible... where you could burnt your fucking hands off just to prove you where telling the truth.. don't buy into this modern American Christian BS, read some of the 1,800 years of history

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    The most dangerous of the Islamic Invasions into Europe was stopped by this man:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Martel

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    Quote Originally Posted by PopeADope View Post
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    Actually we were taught constantly about Christian atrocities against Jews, yet Muslim atrocities not mentioned.

    BTW, Arab Muslims as general rule hate Jews and want to see Israel wiped out, and tried to do so many times.

    I have met plenty of non -Arab American muslims, and they are also antisemitic and usually for Sharia law.

    Last Somalian I asked if we should stone adulterers, he said ( matter-of-factly) "yeah, it's in the Koran. The bitch shouldn't be cheating "!
    as evil as bigoted as any... it was you who brought up 'the crusades', and you can talk about 'the crusades' with out bring the northern and southern crusades, neither of which were against Islam.. and you can't talk about 'the crusades' with out 'wetting their swords' of the Jews as the crusaders marched through Europe..

    so what about the northern and southern crusades, or where they not crusades.. come historian do tell...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    The most dangerous of the Islamic Invasions into Europe was stopped by this man:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Martel
    which has fuck all to do with the crusades, or is any battle with Islam a crusade to the anti-Muslim bigot....

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    Quote Originally Posted by cable2 View Post
    you are talking more of your twisted BS... go read the records of 'Church Courts', all based upon 'the teachings of Christ' and the bible... where you could burnt your fucking hands off just to prove you where telling the truth.. don't buy into this modern American Christian BS, read some of the 1,800 years of history
    Jesus said do unto others as you would have them do to you, love your enemies, let those who are without sin cast the first stone.

    When people picked up Swords to defend him he said " put away your swords, those who live by the sword will die by the sword. "

    There is no Christian justification for atrocities committed by Christians. Perhaps that is one reason why the predominantly Christian nations no longer have laws that persecute people in such ways, yet millions of people are oppressed in our world by Islamic Government , which in multiple countries is ruining countless lives with Crusades and inquisitions under a different name.

    Then liberals refuse to identify the problem , and defend this epitome of evil and tyranny. I'm more concerned about the suffering of today rather than what Christians did centuries ago , which was extremely ugly, and the opposite of what Christ taught.

    Thank God Christians woke up. I see no evidence that the Muslim world is or will,

    but after all , they follow a prophet who was a terrorist, rapist, and slave-owner, so it's kind of difficult to liberalize Islam.

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    I argue with Christians all the time, and when Christians start instituting laws that imprison or execute people for preaching against their faith , then I will just as passionately hate ( that form of) Christianity

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    That's the point that a lot of people gloss over. It's very easy to look at so called "Christian" nations and remark how liberated and tolerant they are, and how they don't allow religion to interfere with science, or medicine, or government, or philosophy, or the arts... and on and on, and think that it's some inherent quality within Christianity that makes it this way. What they are really proud of is the fact that their religion, which once dominated all of those things and more, has been beaten into a small corner of public life by a conscious and deliberate (and very beneficial) effort make religion something that has little power over anything important in society.

    If there was ever a good case study of what happens when societies overthrow the grip of religion over all of public life, the European Enlightenment is it. Hopefully the Muslim world's enlightenment will come soon.
    Unfortunately, if they stay on the same schedule as the Christian world, Muslims won't get their Enlightenment for another 300 years or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Unfortunately, if they stay on the same schedule as the Christian world, Muslims won't get their Enlightenment for another 300 years or so.
    Well, I'm at least encouraged by my belief that religions aren't living beings with predictable life cycles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Except that they turned away Islamic aggression, rather effectively, in ways that had nothing to do with the Crusades. The fight to maintain Christendom was fought on European soil over the period of several hundred years, often long after the advances of the Crusades had been turned back.
    Correct. The real battles were fought in Europe, with the Muslims being finally defeated after some seven hundred years. The Crusades were fought to take back Jerusalem, but the crusaders never did stay to occupy the Holy Land. They just went off to war, and came back claiming victory. There are examples of that sort of thinking in modern history as well.

    What the crusades did accomplish was to piss off the Muslims to the point that the Europeans couldn't cross their lands to get to Asia. The result of that was European exploration, and a guy named Columbus who claimed he could reach Asia by sailing west. What a doofus he was, not realizing that there was a whole new world in the way and that the Northwest Passage would have to wait for a warmer climate.

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    What liberals, public schools, and media fails to teach about the Crusades and inquisition is that currently hundreds of millions of people are oppressed, enslaved, imprisoned, deprived of free-peech, or executed by the Crusades and inquisitions of today (under a different name).

    What they also fail to mention is Muhammad encourages that behavior , while Jesus strongly condemned it, so that behavior is intrinsically muslim, but not intrinsically Christian.

    Also, Muhammad came 600 years after the New Covenant to bring back the Barbaric practices of the OT.

    And by the way, I hate much of what I read in the scriptures. Religion should never be forced on anyone.

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