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    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Similar to the Vikings, but not of origin?
    That's my take. I think the author is trying to state that the Hyksos rule of Egypt is a part of the Sea People 'invasion', however the timeline doesn't agree.

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    If I remember correctly from Asimov's Guide to the Old Testament, he postulated that the Philistines had a higher technology level than the Israelites. And that is the reason it was so hard to defeat them.
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    OK, I am getting this book tomorrow, and see what revelations he has in store for me.
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    I thought the rise of the Classical Greeks was because of appropriating a lot of Egyptian science though I guess the last man standing gets to tell the story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    Just saw a quick review of this book. A period of history I find fascinating, probably going to add this to my Kindle this week.
    I also want to get and read this book, have seen it a few times at Barnes & Noble. You are right that this period of transition between the Bronze Age and the Iron Age is one of the most fascinating periods in history, and in part because it is all so murky......So if you're getting it tomorrow, I will look forward to seeing what more you have to say about it.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    A few decades?

    The Minoans were in decline after the eruption of Thera c.1500BC.

    The Babylonians were assimilated into the Persian empire under Cyrus I (that's a thousand years!), later the Macedonians (Alexander of Macedon), and then the Parthians during the Roman period.
    Yeah, I think the REVIEW of the book that Old Gaffer posted was kind of poorly written. It was kind of silly to mention the Minoans in reference to this time period; they were long gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    They thought the Sea People were Greek in origin back in the 60's. I have to get this book...
    One popular theory is that the 'Sea Peoples' came from the northern shores of the Black Sea and were attracted by the wealth of the civilizations to the south. They would have been RELATED to the Greeks, in this case, but probably not Greeks themselves. The Philistines, for example, were clearly not Greek in origin. Such a MURKY period of history!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    That's my take. I think the author is trying to state that the Hyksos rule of Egypt is a part of the Sea People 'invasion', however the timeline doesn't agree.
    I don't think the author of the book is saying the Hyksos invasion and temporary rule of Egypt was part of the Sea People invasion because, as you point out, the timeline is totally off. The Hyksos invasion of Egypt dates to around 1750 BC, more than half a millennium before the events discussed in this book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    If I remember correctly from Asimov's Guide to the Old Testament, he postulated that the Philistines had a higher technology level than the Israelites. And that is the reason it was so hard to defeat them.
    The Philistines may have already been in the Iron Age, while the Hebrews (Israelites) were still stuck in the Bronze Age. Iron weapons are certainly VASTLY superior to bronze weapons.
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    Who Were the 'Sea Peoples': Theories

    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    Weren't the Philistines considered a group of the "sea people"?
    Were they the Phoenecians?

    Sea Peoples and the Phoenicians
    Relentless attacks by groups known as the Sea Peoples around 1200 BC virtually destroyed all the major powers of the Mediterranean, and cleared the way for the rise of the Greeks, Romans and Western civilization.[i] Surprisingly for such a pivotal moment in world history, the events which took place at that time are not well understood and are widely debated. Many theories have been advanced to explain these times, and their participants have been declared to come from Anatolia, or the Aegean, or even Atlantis. We will consider the various theories, as well as a new composite view which does not appear to have been considered previously.

    An important element mentioned by many sources, and yet given consideration by virtually none, is the simple fact that—in the midst of a cataclysm which destroyed almost every city in the eastern Mediterranean area—the Phoenician cities remained untouched. This turns out to be one of the keys which help to unlock the mystery of the Sea Peoples—an event which changed the course of history.
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