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    1177 B.C.: The Year Civilization Collapsed

    Just saw a quick review of this book. A period of history I find fascinating, probably going to add this to my Kindle this week.


    In 1177 B.C., marauding groups known only as the "Sea Peoples" invaded Egypt. The pharaoh's army and navy managed to defeat them, but the victory so weakened Egypt that it soon slid into decline, as did most of the surrounding civilizations. After centuries of brilliance, the civilized world of the Bronze Age came to an abrupt and cataclysmic end. Kingdoms fell like dominoes over the course of just a few decades. No more Minoans or Mycenaeans. No more Trojans, Hittites, or Babylonians. The thriving economy and cultures of the late second millennium B.C., which had stretched from Greece to Egypt and Mesopotamia, suddenly ceased to exist, along with writing systems, technology, and monumental architecture. But the Sea Peoples alone could not have caused such widespread breakdown. How did it happen?

    In this major new account of the causes of this "First Dark Ages," Eric Cline tells the gripping story of how the end was brought about by multiple interconnected failures, ranging from invasion and revolt to earthquakes, drought, and the cutting of international trade routes. Bringing to life the vibrant multicultural world of these great civilizations, he draws a sweeping panorama of the empires and globalized peoples of the Late Bronze Age and shows that it was their very interdependence that hastened their dramatic collapse and ushered in a dark age that lasted centuries.

    A compelling combination of narrative and the latest scholarship, 1177 B.C. sheds new light on the complex ties that gave rise to, and ultimately destroyed, the flourishing civilizations of the Late Bronze Age--and that set the stage for the emergence of classical Greece.
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    Their interdependence e.g. trade contributed greatly to their demise? Sounds like our present age. Kind of scary.
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    I have studied the Bronze Age and the later Iron Age, but am unfamiliar with the intervening Early Dark Age.

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    Kingdoms fell like dominoes over the course of just a few decades. No more Minoans or Mycenaeans. No more Trojans, Hittites, or Babylonians.
    A few decades?

    The Minoans were in decline after the eruption of Thera c.1500BC.

    The Babylonians were assimilated into the Persian empire under Cyrus I (that's a thousand years!), later the Macedonians (Alexander of Macedon), and then the Parthians during the Roman period.

    The thriving economy and cultures of the late second millennium B.C., which had stretched from Greece to Egypt and Mesopotamia, suddenly ceased to exist, along with writing systems, technology, and monumental architecture. But the Sea Peoples alone could not have caused such widespread breakdown. How did it happen?
    I'd argue that the decline was not as 'sudden' as the author would have us believe, and that the 'Sea Peoples' were more of a marauding pest which didn't receive a lot of 'ancient publicity'. When I was studying ancient history, it was thought that the 'Sea Peoples' were semitic in origin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    A few decades?

    The Minoans were in decline after the eruption of Thera c.1500BC.

    The Babylonians were assimilated into the Persian empire under Cyrus I (that's a thousand years!), later the Macedonians (Alexander of Macedon), and then the Parthians during the Roman period.



    I'd argue that the decline was not as 'sudden' as the author would have us believe, and that the 'Sea Peoples' were more of a marauding pest which didn't receive a lot of 'ancient publicity'. When I was studying ancient history, it was thought that the 'Sea Peoples' were semitic in origin.
    Weren't the Philistines considered a group of the "sea people"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    Weren't the Philistines considered a group of the "sea people"?
    that's what I read...

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    My problem, my information is over 50 years old, damn, I need an update, things have been discovered about that period since I was a student. My economics courses, my marketing courses, and damn near every other subject has progressed......

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    They thought the Sea People were Greek in origin back in the 60's. I have to get this book...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    A few decades?

    The Minoans were in decline after the eruption of Thera c.1500BC.

    The Babylonians were assimilated into the Persian empire under Cyrus I (that's a thousand years!), later the Macedonians (Alexander of Macedon), and then the Parthians during the Roman period.



    I'd argue that the decline was not as 'sudden' as the author would have us believe, and that the 'Sea Peoples' were more of a marauding pest which didn't receive a lot of 'ancient publicity'. When I was studying ancient history, it was thought that the 'Sea Peoples' were semitic in origin.
    Similar to the Vikings, but not of origin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    Weren't the Philistines considered a group of the "sea people"?
    Yes, the Philistines are considered to be the 'Peleset' of the texts.

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