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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Anyway, Genghis Khan left a legacy of government, trade, art, science etc.

    I think he a heroic figure.
    I wouldn't call him heroic.

    The death and destruction during the 13th century Mongol conquests have been widely noted in both the scholarly literature and popular memory. It has been calculated that approximately 5% of the world's population were killed during Turco-Mongol invasions or in their immediate aftermath. If these calculations are accurate, this would make the events the hitherto deadliest acts of mass killings in human history.

    Diana Lary contends that the Mongol invasions induced population displacement "on a scale never seen before," particularly in Central Asia and Eastern Europe. She adds, "the impending arrival of the Mongol hordes spread terror and panic." In addition, the Mongols practiced biological warfare by catapulting diseased cadavers into at least one of the cities they besieged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne View Post
    I wouldn't call him heroic.



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    FYI, that besieged city was in Crimea. Forget exactly which town; but it was then controlled by the Italians, the Genoese, they had trading colonies in Crimea back then. The Tatar and Mongol army had discovered a disease among their men, previously unknown, but very lethal, and they threw corpses over the walls of the Genoese fortress. The disease got so bad, it wiped out so many Mongols themselves, they actually were forced to retreat from Crimea.

    The Genoese, meanwhile, carried the virus hone to Italy and Europe with them. Millions die. It was the fucking Plague. The Black Death. That's how it came about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne View Post
    I wouldn't call him heroic.



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    The Romans were not kind to the Normans, Yanno. Ancient empire building was always bloody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    FYI, that besieged city was in Crimea. Forget exactly which town; but it was then controlled by the Italians, the Genoese, they had trading colonies in Crimea back then. The Tatar and Mongol army had discovered a disease among their men, previously unknown, but very lethal, and they threw corpses over the walls of the Genoese fortress. The disease got so bad, it wiped out so many Mongols themselves, they actually were forced to retreat from Crimea.

    The Genoese, meanwhile, carried the virus hone to Italy and Europe with them. Millions die. It was the fucking Plague. The Black Death. That's how it came about.
    Genoese fortress near Sudak, Crimea

    Not sure if THIS is where the Black Death oroginated. But it's the likeliest candidate
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    FYI, that besieged city was in Crimea. Forget exactly which town; but it was then controlled by the Italians, the Genoese, they had trading colonies in Crimea back then. The Tatar and Mongol army had discovered a disease among their men, previously unknown, but very lethal, and they threw corpses over the walls of the Genoese fortress. The disease got so bad, it wiped out so many Mongols themselves, they actually were forced to retreat from Crimea.

    The Genoese, meanwhile, carried the virus hone to Italy and Europe with them. Millions die. It was the fucking Plague. The Black Death. That's how it came about.
    The Europeans gave "pox blankets" to Native Americans, and homocided millions. They'd deliberately pass along bed linens from their own sick people to infect the NAs.

    They had never been exposed to small pox before, and died almost 100% of the time if exposed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    The Romans were not kind to the Normans, Yanno. Ancient empire building was always bloody.
    The Romans never subjugated my ancestors, the Celts. We'd lure their legions into the northern glens and slaughtered them. They gave up trying and built Hadrian's Wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne View Post
    The Romans never subjugated my ancestors, the Celts. We'd lure their legions into the northern glens and slaughtered them. They gave up trying and built Hadrian's Wall.

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    Celts.....Scotland?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Celts.....Scotland?
    Scots and Irish tribes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Anyway, Genghis Khan left a legacy of government, trade, art, science etc.

    I think he a heroic figure.
    The Horde totally destroyed the Arabic Golden Age.

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    In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
    A stately pleasure-dome decree:
    Where Alph, the sacred river, ran
    Through caverns measureless to man
    ***Down to a sunless sea.
    So twice five miles of fertile ground
    With walls and towers were girdled round;
    And there were gardens bright with sinuous rills,
    Where blossomed many an incense-bearing tree;
    And here were forests ancient as the hills,
    Enfolding sunny spots of greenery.

    But oh! that deep romantic chasm which slanted
    Down the green hill athwart a cedarn cover!
    A savage place! as holy and enchanted
    As e’er beneath a waning moon was haunted
    By woman wailing for her demon-lover!
    And from this chasm, with ceaseless turmoil seething,
    As if this earth in fast thick pants were breathing,
    A mighty fountain momently was forced:
    Amid whose swift half-intermitted burst
    Huge fragments vaulted like rebounding hail,
    Or chaffy grain beneath the thresher’s flail:
    And mid these dancing rocks at once and ever
    It flung up momently the sacred river.
    Five miles meandering with a mazy motion
    Through wood and dale the sacred river ran,
    Then reached the caverns measureless to man,
    And sank in tumult to a lifeless ocean;
    And ’mid this tumult Kubla heard from far
    Ancestral voices prophesying war!
    ***The shadow of the dome of pleasure
    ***Floated midway on the waves;
    ***Where was heard the mingled measure
    ***From the fountain and the caves.
    It was a miracle of rare device,
    A sunny pleasure-dome with caves of ice!

    ***A damsel with a dulcimer
    ***In a vision once I saw:
    ***It was an Abyssinian maid
    ***And on her dulcimer she played,
    ***Singing of Mount Abora.
    ***Could I revive within me
    ***Her symphony and song,
    ***To such a deep delight ’twould win me,
    That with music loud and long,
    I would build that dome in air,
    That sunny dome! those caves of ice!
    And all who heard should see them there,
    And all should cry, Beware! Beware!
    His flashing eyes, his floating hair!
    Weave a circle round him thrice,
    And close your eyes with holy dread
    For he on honey-dew hath fed,
    And drunk the milk of Paradise.

    Samuel Taylor Coleridge
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