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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Blocking someone's path can be form of assault.
    Civil assault, maybe ... but you might find it difficult to maintain a lawsuit merely for that.

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    Blocking a public thoroughfare is already a violation.
    Indeed, it can be the crime of disorderly conduct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    The two vary in only one relevant way, for purposes of this thread: In the US, we believe that the cure for horrible ideas is for citizens to shout at them, without aid of the government censoring the other guy.

    In the EU (as well as Canada, I think) the citizens DO expect the government to censor citizens with horrible ideas.

    This difference is wildly believed to account for the somewhat more noisy and raucous protests and counterprotests that occur in the US as compared to Europe. (That's a BIG generalization.) Since 95% of this board "wishes protesters could be more polite and respectful", seems worth looking at.



    https://qz.com/993672/a-controversia...ors_picks=true

    If the US adopts the rule of law that our government can censor hate speech, how to we go on to discuss our own history? How do we honor our heroes and condemn our enemies within?

    Why is it so much better to award MORE power to the government that it is to tolerate there (mostly law-abiding) protests and counter-protests over Trump, etc.?

    Your thoughts?
    lets see, do LWNCs in Europe burn down Colleges, Burn Neighbor hoods just to prevent people from speaking ideas they don't like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    And what about someone blocking your path while shouting at you? I would consider that a form of kidnapping. That's the problem as I say, it often isn't cut and dried.
    That's why there are so many SCOTUS decisions on that question.

    Protecting everyone's rights at the same time is not easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Oh, I don't know. How about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_French_riots

    or these, more recently: PARIS RIOTS MAPPED: Violence spreads to 20 areas including Lile and Rouen | World | News | Express.co.uk

    Or in the past: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_1968_events_in_France

    Or further back: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_massacre_of_1961

    Those are just Paris.

    What about when a farm protest leader Jose Bove drove a tractor into a McDonalds?

    https://quod.lib.umich.edu/w/wsfh/06...;view=fulltext

    Germans, Italians, Spaniards all love them a good protest. Compared to Europe, Americans are political shut-ins.

    Yes. I'm opposed to that. But any suggestion that it makes Europe less protest-oriented or less violent omits any understanding of political protest in Europe.
    I sit corrected!

    My excuse, shabby as it is is, I can't read French and my American media doesn't cover international news in such depth.

    My apologies if I gave offence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Blocking someone's path can be form of assault. Blocking a public thoroughfare is already a violation.
    Usually constitutionally protected, though.

    But it is true, whatever the limits might be on free speech in America, there is no free speech right to shoot to kill, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I sit corrected!

    My excuse, shabby as it is is, I can't read French and my American media doesn't cover international news in such depth.

    My apologies if I gave offence.
    I was surprised, a couple of years ago, when discussions here made me realize just how more protest-oriented Europeans are than Americans. I thought we were the fount of popular revolt--not so.

    Sorry for speaking so harshly.
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    It depends on what people are protesting I think.

    Americans are very good at protesting cultural art that they deem anti-Christian.

    Probably the best, at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    It depends on what people are protesting I think.

    Americans are very good at protesting cultural art that they deem anti-Christian.

    Probably the best, at that.

    Not THIS 'mercan!

    Thanks for the book recommendation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    Most of Europe rates higher on the "Freedom Scale" than the US. We are sitting at 90/100, all the Nordic countries are at 100/100, Germany is 95, Canada is 99, Australia 98 and on down to Mexico at 65 and Africa and a lot of Asia not even considered "Free". I remember when the US was the freest nation on Earth, but those days are long gone.

    https://freedomhouse.org/report/free...dom-world-2016
    Sooooo typical of you lib-nuts to believe that EVERYTHING should be 'free'!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    Most of Europe rates higher on the "Freedom Scale" than the US. We are sitting at 90/100, all the Nordic countries are at 100/100, Germany is 95, Canada is 99, Australia 98 and on down to Mexico at 65 and Africa and a lot of Asia not even considered "Free". I remember when the US was the freest nation on Earth, but those days are long gone.

    https://freedomhouse.org/report/free...dom-world-2016
    LBJs "War On Crime" made sure of that. With crimes generally committed by the poor being the primary targets.

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