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    When "Persia" became "Iran"

    Iran Chamber Society: When "Persia" became "Iran"

    In 1935 the Iranian government requested those countries which it had diplomatic relations with, to call Persia "Iran," which is the name of the country in Persian.

    The suggestion for the change is said to have come from the Iranian ambassador to Germany, who came under the influence of the Nazis. At the time Germany was in the grip of racial fever and cultivated good relations with nations of "Aryan" blood. It is said that some German friends of the ambassador persuaded him that, as with the advent of Reza Shah, Persia had turned a new leaf in its history and had freed itself from the pernicious influences of Britain and Russia, whose interventions in Persian affairs had practically crippled the country under the Qajars, it was only fitting that the country be called by its own name, "Iran." This would not only signal a new beginning and bring home to the world the new era in Iranian history, but would also signify the Aryan race of its population, as "Iran" is a cognate of "Aryan" and derived from it.

    The Iranian Ministry of Foreign Affairs sent out a circular to all foreign embassies in Tehran, requesting that the country thenceforth be called "Iran." Diplomatic courtesy obliged, and by and by the name "Iran" began to appear in official correspondence and news items.

    At first "Iran" sounded alien (for non-Iranians), and many failed to recognize its connection with Persia. Some (Westerners) thought that it was perhaps one of the new countries like Iraq and Jordan carved out of the ruins of the Ottoman Empire, or a country in Africa or Southeast Asia that had just been granted independence; and not a few confused it with Iraq, itself a recent entity.

    As time passed and as a number of events, like the Allied invasion of Iran in 1941 and the nationalization of the oil industry under Prime Minster Dr Mohammad Mosaddeq, put the country in the headlines, the name "Iran" became generally accepted, and "Persia" fell into comparative disuse, though more slowly in Britain than in the United States.
    Seems Iran has never gone through denazification.

    Thoughts?
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    Interesting, though meaningless in today's world.

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    I met a student from Lebanon last year, whose father's first and middle name are respectively Adolf and Hitler.

    Seems that still means something for some.
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    The Ossetian people in Russian North Caucasus (and formerly Georgian South Ossetia, whoch is basically a part of Russia too now)

    descend from ancient Alanian tribes from Iran/Persia.

    Albeit, having lived for many centuries under Georgian and Russian rule, vast majority of them are now Orthodox Christians

    but there is a Muslim minority too

    and some still follow a mysterious "ancestral faith", as they call it, whose ancient stone monuments can be found all around their region

    This religion has a singular supreme God overseeing three worlds in one: human world, which coexists with that of the spirits, who are all around us; and the world of the dead, under us.

    Some 20% of the 800,000 Ossetians reportedly follow this ancestral faith.

    Very interesting people.

    And, yeah, why I mention them: they refer to themselves as "Ironians" (yes, with "o"). "Ossetians" are a name for them the Georgians came up with long ago, and the Russians adopted. They prefer "Ironians" or "Alanians", like their Persian ancestors

    They even added, few years ago, "Alania" to their republic name, they are "Ossetia-Alania" now
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    So, if Trump is a neo-Nazi, should he support or oppose Iran? This is all getting so confusing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    The Ossetian people in Russian North Caucasus (and formerly Georgian South Ossetia, whoch is basically a part of Russia too now)

    descend from ancient Alanian tribes from Iran/Persia.

    Albeit, having lived for many centuries under Georgian and Russian rule, vast majority of them are now Orthodox Christians

    but there is a Muslim minority too

    and some still follow a mysterious "ancestral faith", as they call it, whose ancient stone monuments can be found all around their region

    This religion has a singular supreme God overseeing three worlds in one: human world, which coexists with that of the spirits, who are all around us; and the world of the dead, under us.

    Some 20% of the 800,000 Ossetians reportedly follow this ancestral faith.

    Very interesting people.

    And, yeah, why I mention them: they refer to themselves as "Ironians" (yes, with "o"). "Ossetians" are a name for them the Georgians came up with long ago, and the Russians adopted. They prefer "Ironians" or "Alanians", like their Persian ancestors

    They even added, few years ago, "Alania" to their republic name, they are "Ossetia-Alania" now
    Is that related to Zoroastrianism?
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    I dunno, with the few Iranian people I've known, they all insisted they were Persian... small sample though, take it for what it is...

    Seems that, in a sense there's still the sensation that it still is Persia. Again, small sample.




    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Urbanek View Post
    So, if Trump is a neo-Nazi, should he support or oppose Iran? This is all getting so confusing.
    It is... I mean, the call trump Hitler but they want to give up their guns to him... even though he's clearly stated he does not want them.

    Maybe they WANT a Hitler?

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Is that related to Zoroastrianism?
    Not sure, but, very possibly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    I dunno, with the few Iranian people I've known, they all insisted they were Persian... small sample though, take it for what it is...
    Jews who are from, or descend from Jews who are from, that region are known as "Persian Jews," not "Iranian Jews."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Jews who are from, or descend from Jews who are from, that region are known as "Persian Jews," not "Iranian Jews."
    Thanks, I was hesitant to say, because I'm talking a small sample (5-10 people over years) but each person if I said Iranian they would correct to the effect of being from Iran but are Persian.
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