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    Any of you ever heard of Thor Heyerdahl and the Kon-Tiki Expedition?

    Thor Heyerdahl?s Kon-Tiki Voyage - History in the Headlines
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    More probable than a Chinese fleet making landfall in the americas..



    Roman city in China?

    In Liqian (骊靬), a remote and decrepit little village in China's western Gansu province bordering on the Gobi Desert, one can find such Chinese oddities as green eyes and blond hair. Even more bizzare is the persistent theory that these villagers are Romans—descended from soldiers of Marcus Licinius Crassus' "Lost Legion."

    In 1957, Oxford sinologist Homer H. Dubs in his controversial paper "A Roman City in Ancient China" proposed that some captured Roman soldiers from Carrhae reappeared 18 years later at the Western frontier of Han China. Using circumstantial evidence he claims that these soldiers fought as mercenaries under the Xiongnu leader (a title known as Shanyu), against the Han, were captured in battle, and eventually settled at the Liqian site.

    ..snip..


    The circumstantial evidence was fun, but DNA testing says no
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tedminator View Post
    yeah without concrete evidence I'd have to say didnt happen for this particular fleet.

    anyhoo kind of a moot point anyway because the asians already "discovered" the americas eons ago via the Bering Strait landbridge... which is why lots of native americans share DNA traits with pacific islanders & asians.
    Coming to America: Who Was First? : NPR

    New Evidence Ancient Chinese Explorers Landed in America Excites Experts | Ancient Origins

    Map fuels debate of Chinese landing in 1421
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    Perhaps we should allow Samuel Clemens (aka Mark Twain) the last word on discovering America.

    “It was wonderful to find America, but it would have been more wonderful to miss it.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tedminator View Post
    More probable than a Chinese fleet making landfall in the americas..

    Roman city in China?

    In Liqian (骊靬), a remote and decrepit little village in China's western Gansu province bordering on the Gobi Desert, one can find such Chinese oddities as green eyes and blond hair. Even more bizzare is the persistent theory that these villagers are Romans—descended from soldiers of Marcus Licinius Crassus' "Lost Legion."

    In 1957, Oxford sinologist Homer H. Dubs in his controversial paper "A Roman City in Ancient China" proposed that some captured Roman soldiers from Carrhae reappeared 18 years later at the Western frontier of Han China. Using circumstantial evidence he claims that these soldiers fought as mercenaries under the Xiongnu leader (a title known as Shanyu), against the Han, were captured in battle, and eventually settled at the Liqian site.

    ..snip..

    The circumstantial evidence was fun, but DNA testing says no
    There WERE a group of Indo-European speakers, though, the Tocharians, who migrated far to the east, ending up in what is now northwest China (Xinjiang) a few millennia before Christ. Many mummies from that area with blue eyes and blonde hair. They later became the Kushans, who migrated to the southwest, forming an impressive kingdom in the area formerly occupied by the Greco-Bactrian kingdom, in what is today Pakistan and Afghanistan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by caffeine View Post
    Hooray, finally a topic about something that isn't tit for tat American politics!

    Did a Chinese fleet sail to America in the early 15th century? No! Almost certainly not. Zheng He's fleets did sail far and wide - throughout South-East Asia, India, Arabia and Africa. We know this because there is actual evidence for it happening. These voyages are well documented in Chinese records, and there is even archaeological evidence of 15th century Chinese in East Africa. The supposed journey to America, however, is not mentioned in any contemporary source, nor did the Chinese leave any trace of their presence in the Americas.

    As for St. Brendan, it's just an old myth. There is, once again, zero evidence of him having gone to America. It's just one more of the nationalist fantasies people have dreamt up to prove that their ancestors were in America first. An old story about someone sailing to unknown lands is not evidence of a medieval trip to America.
    Samuel Eliot Morison, the author of The European Discovery of America in two volumes (Volume I dealing with the northern voyages, and Volume II with the southern) does think it is possible, though, that St. Brendan visited the Azores Islands, the Madeira Islands, and Iceland. The Norse discovered Iceland ~830 AD, and left curious hints that they MAY have encountered itinerant Irish monks there, leading celibate lives sans women.

    I HIGHLY recommend Morison's two books.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Samuel Eliot Morison, the author of The European Discovery of America in two volumes (Volume I dealing with the northern voyages, and Volume II with the southern) does think it is possible, though, that St. Brendan visited the Azores Islands, the Madeira Islands, and Iceland. The Norse discovered Iceland ~830 AD, and left curious hints that they MAY have encountered itinerant Irish monks there, leading celibate lives sans women.

    I HIGHLY recommend Morison's two books.
    Once one realizes that Easter Island is inhabited by Polynesians, where Easter Island is basically 2,000 miles from anything, is anything really beyond the realm of, at least, possibility?

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    Quote Originally Posted by publius3 View Post
    Once one realizes that Easter Island is inhabited by Polynesians, where Easter Island is basically 2,000 miles from anything, is anything really beyond the realm of, at least, possibility?
    The Polynesian dispersal across the Pacific Ocean is nothing less than amazing. But Morison, of course, has nothing to say about the Polynesians, given the titles of his books. He DOES carefully consider all the many claims for the discovery of America by EARLIER Europeans than the Vikings, going all the way back to the Phoenicians, the Carthaginians, the Irish, and the Welsh. There IS reason to believe that there was a successful circumnavigation of Africa in the time of the Pharaoh Necho, ~630 BC.

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    Vikings were here first
    Technically, it's the Amerindians, surely?

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