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    One of the earliest Spanish ships off the California coast reportedly logged a sailing ship that disappeared in the distance that was thought to be Chinese. And the LA news had an article about finding "Chinese anchors" off the coast. They were supposedly doughnut shaped stone anchors peculiar to Chinese ships of the time. A lot of people may have been coming here for thousands of years (see author Barry Fell for some thoughts on the subject) but nobody changed it like the Europeans of the sixteenth century.
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    On March 8, 1421, the largest fleet the world had ever seen sailed from its base in China. The ships, huge junks nearly five hundred feet long and built from the finest teak, were under the command of Emperor Zhu Di's loyal eunuch admirals. Their mission was "to proceed all the way to the end of the earth to collect tribute from the barbarians beyond the seas" and unite the whole world in Confucian harmony. Their journey would last more than two years and circle the globe.

    When they returned in October 1423, the emperor had fallen, leaving China in political and economic chaos. The great ships, now considered frivolous, were left to rot at their moorings and the records of their journeys were destroyed. Lost in China's long, self-imposed isolation that followed was the knowledge that Chinese ships had reached America seventy years before Columbus and circumnavigated the globe a century before Magellan.
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    Documentary above is based on this guy's book: Gavin Menzies - Wikipedia
    Ive always been curious about this fleet. Did they actually circumnavigate the world as Gavin Menzies claims? I doubt it.
    If the ships were left to rot at their moorings and the records of their journeys were destroyed, how do we know this voyage actually happened?

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    Second. Mammoth hunters beat them to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tedminator View Post


    On March 8, 1421, the largest fleet the world had ever seen sailed from its base in China. The ships, huge junks nearly five hundred feet long and built from the finest teak, were under the command of Emperor Zhu Di's loyal eunuch admirals. Their mission was "to proceed all the way to the end of the earth to collect tribute from the barbarians beyond the seas" and unite the whole world in Confucian harmony. Their journey would last more than two years and circle the globe.

    When they returned in October 1423, the emperor had fallen, leaving China in political and economic chaos. The great ships, now considered frivolous, were left to rot at their moorings and the records of their journeys were destroyed. Lost in China's long, self-imposed isolation that followed was the knowledge that Chinese ships had reached America seventy years before Columbus and circumnavigated the globe a century before Magellan.
    ..snip..



    Documentary above is based on this guy's book: Gavin Menzies - Wikipedia
    Ive always been curious about this fleet. Did they actually circumnavigate the world as Gavin Menzies claims? I doubt it.
    Why do they think these Chinese ships reached America? Did they make maps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    One of the earliest Spanish ships off the California coast reportedly logged a sailing ship that disappeared in the distance that was thought to be Chinese. And the LA news had an article about finding "Chinese anchors" off the coast. They were supposedly doughnut shaped stone anchors peculiar to Chinese ships of the time. A lot of people may have been coming here for thousands of years (see author Barry Fell for some thoughts on the subject) but nobody changed it like the Europeans of the sixteenth century.
    "Nobody changed it"?

    Dafuq?

    Whut about the people who lived here, Native Americans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    "Nobody changed it"?

    Dafuq?

    Whut about the people who lived here, Native Americans?
    NA's were a stone age culture, so yeah it has changed a lot now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    NA's were a stone age culture, so yeah it has changed a lot now.
    Well, SOMEBODY skipped a few history lessons.

    But even assuming you are correct, what distinguishes a settlement at Jamestown from the tribes that surrounded them?

    The Hopis established cities in Arizona in 1100 A.D.

    What else did they lack before you would call them "modern"? Manufacturing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    "Nobody changed it"?

    Dafuq?

    Whut about the people who lived here, Native Americans?
    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    NA's were a stone age culture, so yeah it has changed a lot now.
    The Columbian Exchange went both ways, but for sure the Old World changed the New World more..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tedminator View Post
    The Columbian Exchange went both ways, but for sure the Old World changed the New World more..

    That chart leaves out gunpowder and rifle balls. Those, along with the diseases mentioned, pretty much wiped out the Natives, at least in North America.
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