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Thread: 1421: The Year China Discovered America

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Sadly, most Americans probably don't even know the difference between Australia and Austria.


    I'm not at all sure that Donald Trump would, for instance.

    You're not wrong. I used to laugh at tales like this before I visited your fair land, but I was talking an American friend of a friend a few years ago, who thought I was an Australian. She said something like "I understand that you are from Australia - but my dear, you speak such perfect English. Did you learn that in school?" I was naughty enough to answer "Ich danke Ihnen gnädige frau, aber Ich spreche Englisch zu Hause."
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Sadly, most Americans probably don't even know the difference between Australia and Austria.


    I'm not at all sure that Donald Trump would, for instance.

    It's unlikely his supporters would know the difference. All them there furrin' nations are the same, all sucking at Uncle Sam's teat! Hey, build a wall and Make America Great Again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tedminator View Post
    Menzies' hypothesis is far fetched.. historian Robert Finlay severely criticized Menzies in the Journal of World History for his "reckless manner of dealing with evidence" that led him to propose hypotheses "without a shred of proof".


    Anyhooo here is map of the actual Zheng Fleet voyages that do have proof..

    Interesting map. At the time of his death in 1405, the aging Tamerlane was headed east with his vast army to challenge the mighty Ming Empire of China. Tamerlane had never been defeated in battle, had already humbled the Ottoman Empire by capturing the Sultan (the ONLY time that ever happened to the Ottoman Empire), and had made the Golden Horde Khanate a vassal state. Some consider him to be possibly the greatest military genius of all time, ahead of Alexander and Napoleon.


    Zheng He's fleet, if not himself, is known to have reached at least a bit farther south in East Africa than the map shows. They got at least as far as Zanzibar, and POSSIBLY Madagascar.

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    The story claims super fleet but it's not possible to sail a wooden ship longer than 300 feet long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    The story claims super fleet but it's not possible to sail a wooden ship longer than 300 feet long.
    Hmm. I'd heard somewhere that there is a maximum length to wooden ships, so I looked it up. Found this:

    Longest known wooden ships
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    Length Beam Name Service Current status Comment
    140 m
    (450 ft) 15.3 m
    (50 ft 1 in) Wyoming 1909–1924 sunk[1] This American ship had a tendency to flex in heavy seas, causing the long planks to twist and buckle.[2] This allowed sea water into the hold, which had to be pumped out.[3] The overall length including jibboom was 450 feet (140 m).
    There are more, but copying and pasting scrambles up the words. You can see that the first one listed was 450 feet, but that it tended to flex in high seas. That might be the outer limit of wooden ships.

    500 feet is a suspect number, then, but so is the use of feet before feet were used to measure things.

    Note: Chinese tend to have small feet LOL

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