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    How badly does Israel need America?

    I'm trying to imagine what would happen if Israel lost America's support and that the two nations were longer ally's with each other. Would Israel be completely fucked or could they still manage their own affairs as a sovereign country?
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Lesley View Post
    I'm trying to imagine what would happen if Israel lost America's support and that the two nations were longer ally's with each other. Would Israel be completely fucked or could they still manage their own affairs as a sovereign country?
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    IMO: all nations should be able to stand on their own...or how can they be truly called "an independent, sovereign nation"? Israel can take care of itself. It's own blood and treasure is their resource base. The IDF will win any war it fights...but not without a drastic cost...but...that's the way the kitchen sinks, I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Lesley View Post
    I'm trying to imagine what would happen if Israel lost America's support and that the two nations were longer ally's with each other. Would Israel be completely fucked or could they still manage their own affairs as a sovereign country?
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    Israel is deemed to be western, in a crucial area geographically and understood. It will have support across the developed world. It knows that and acts accordingly. If it was irrelevant it would have to be much less aggressive, but that's unfortunately hypothetical nonsense

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Lesley View Post
    I'm trying to imagine what would happen if Israel lost America's support and that the two nations were longer ally's with each other. Would Israel be completely fucked or could they still manage their own affairs as a sovereign country?
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    In the cartoon, Israel is the "male plug." In the relationship, it is the US that is getting screwed.

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    In the cartoon, Israel is the "male plug." In the relationship, it is the US that is getting screwed.
    I notice that's a round grounding plug.

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    Isreal would have no new fighter jets or military weapons and they would lose out on 5 billion dollars of gift money from us.
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    Isreal would have no new fighter jets or military weapons and they would lose out on 5 billion dollars of gift money from us.
    They should simply buy what they need. "Giving" it isn't a good prospect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Lesley View Post
    I'm trying to imagine what would happen if Israel lost America's support and that the two nations were longer ally's with each other. Would Israel be completely fucked or could they still manage their own affairs as a sovereign country?
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    Israel would survive - but not under their current strategy, which is to maintain the status quo. The status quo is primarily a stalemate, and it's expensive to the point of unsustainable without financial assistance. If America completely cut its support, Israel would have to adopt an alternate strategy. If America eliminated funding for Israel, then the enemies of Israel would know this, and start mobilizing forces against Israel. The last time this happened, Israel struck out furiously (and successfully) against its enemies. Such an attack would be far less expensive than the current approach. It would result in catastrophic casualties, especially among Muslim populations, but it would off Israel its best chance of survival without external funding.

    If Israel's enemies have little or no capacity to attack, then Israel's internal funding sources will be more than adequate to protect itself.
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    Most Americans lack the knowledge and the capacity for grasping nuance to rationally discuss foreign policy, whether it relates to Israel or to any other foreign nation. There is little to be gained from engaging someone in discussion of foreign policy if their worldview is so primitive and binary that they simply apply white hats or black hats to whichever nation (or nations) are being discussed.

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    President Obama sides with Hamas and refused to send promised weapons to Israel and you ask, "What if?" President Obama hates our allies and Israel has been an ally for years.

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