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    @The Man is Putin running again? Back to PM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    @The Man is Putin running again? Back to PM?
    National Post thinks he is: Vladimir Putin is already planning past 2018 Russia election to ensure he?ll remain a world force | National Post

    I think so too... He doesn't really have a choice, at this point. The way it has often been with many powerful dictators in Russian history, from Tsars to Communist General Secretaries; the next guy after him is prone to denounce him and blame all problems on him. Like Khrushchev did to Stalin, for example. But Stalin was already dead by then, fortunately for him. In Putin's case, he does NOT know that whoever inherits the Kremlin from him won't decide to hand him over to the Hague to try him for all the nasty things he's done in his reign; or try him himself, in a Russian court; or just have him assassinated...

    So, really, his ownly way out is to rule until he dies...

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    The only thing they can do is hold an election and throw out the current leadership. Kinda like what Americans did.
    What "leadership" did (some) Americans replace it with, but one that has given Putin the benefit of the doubt over and above their fellow countrymen? It would appear Russia may like to replace it's leadership, but has and will find it difficult because of the very things people fear Trump doing in America with regard to making a mockery of democracy and being multiple times as corrupt as those they replaced, because those that put them in power were conned, yet again, by those that blamed government and "liberals" for the ruin and corruption government and "liberals" mostly tried to prevent. In January in America, the foxes take over guardianship of the hen houses, elected by blind chickens who couldn't see they were foxes and believed they were chickens, because the foxes told them so.

    How to be a dictator? First, get rid of a free press by building mistrust of it. Then install your own controlled press, that does nothing, but flatter you and your regime. Attack the government and foment mistrust of that too, making sure to avoid reminding anyone you are running to become the new government and install your own set of pals/cronies to dismantle someone else's government and make your own.

    If the government one is replacing, is truly corrupt and bad, replacing it is not a bad idea, but if it is not (as in facts and figures to show it is not) as corrupt as the government that replaces it, it IS a bad idea. So far as anyone can see, the election has drained a few from the swamp and Trump, so far has planned to replace those the election drained with an even MORE group of insiders (with regard to wealthy looking to further their own wealth) than any drained from the swamp by the election. Instead of swamp full of people moderately corrupted by wealthy outsiders looking for favors, the new swamp is shaping up to be filled with not only insiders, but the wealthy outsiders that were looking to corrupt the current government to favor them.

    Why pay lobbyists when you can simply appoint the heads of industries that hire lobbyists to government to do those industries and themselves favors?


    Kinda like appointing Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi to head up Homeland Security and deal with ISIS.
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    I think Putin is pretty much untouchable at this point.

    They should just declare him Czar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    I think Putin is pretty much untouchable at this point.

    They should just declare him Czar.
    Who is "they"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    I think Putin is pretty much untouchable at this point.

    They should just declare him Czar.
    That can be your job when he pushes over the pushover Trump, by pushing all of Trump's low self-esteem buttons and flattering Trump's fragile ego so Trump as much as hands him the keys to America, with the support of the same "I-could-shoot-somebody-and-not-lose-any-support" people who put Trump in charge of guarding the nation by doubting his own nation's intelligence and giving giving the benefit of the doubt to Putin, The Putin who knows just how to pull Trump's strings, even if Putin has as big or bigger ego and self-esteem problems. Putin has A LOT more experience than Trump in manipulation and Trump can be led by the nose ring his fragile ego represents. Flatter Trump and he'll throw his own nation under a bus for you.
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    In western countries he is a freedom fighting hero, but if he would live in Europe he would be part of far-right and just as outcast as he is in Russia, since he is a christian and against immigration etc..
    Western hypocrisy at its best, when we talk about him positively.

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    I hope he refrains from drinking cocktails for the next few months, or so.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by curiousou View Post
    In western countries he is a freedom fighting hero, but if he would live in Europe he would be part of far-right and just as outcast as he is in Russia, since he is a christian and against immigration etc..
    Western hypocrisy at its best, when we talk about him positively.
    Yes, true. He has said things that hint at a rather "illiberal" position on LGBT issues, as well as on ethnic minorities:

    Meanwhile, when asked by Ksenya Sobchak on her talk show about LGBT rights, Navalny only conceded that he thought same-sex couples should be able to register civic unions, but he was “categorically against” gays adopting children. He stumbled further by implying that in some more liberal subjects of the Russian Federation, LGBT couples might be able to obtain inheritance rights, but Ivan Rakhmetov, a legal blogger, corrected him.

    “The wish to please everyone at once often plays a bad trick on politicians,” commented lawyer Roman Ostrovsky. “It often happens that prominent figures speak nonsense about areas they know nothing about but it is doubly offensive when such bloopers are permitted by specialists.” As a lawyer, Navalny was expected to know that “issues of inheritance and legalization of same-sex marriages are impossible to decide at the level of regions; such a statement is extremely illiterate from the perspective of jurisprudence,” Ostrovsky added.

    Most worrisome for Navalny-watchers have been his nationalist expressions and intolerant or even hate speech about minorities. There was an uproar among some opposition members and bloggers when Navalny added his signature to a draft statement by the Coordinating Council (whose author is not known) which appeared on the eve of his sentencing, regarding the events in the city of Pugachev where a dozen Chechens were arrested in their homes after the murder of a Tatar soldier by a Chechen teenager.
    Navalny Answers the Hard Questions with Hard Answers

    FYI, in Pugachev, in Saratov region, in 2013, there was a brawl between local (ethnic Russian and Tatar) young people and migrants from Chechnya. A local, ethnic Tatar ex-Paratrooper was stabbed to death by a Chechen. This, in turn, prompted anti-Chechen pogroms.

    The violence actually got bad enough that, reportedly, troops were sent into the town to restore order


    Afterwards, all ethnic Chechens were forced to leave that area.

    Navalny and some other Oppositioners from their Council made some provocative statements at the time. Basically said all Chechens are criminals and corrupt police are protecting their mafia...

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    I hope he refrains from drinking cocktails for the next few months, or so.......
    Indeed. But, as I said, his death would likely cause too much unrest. They won't go about it that way.
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    They can find a way.

    But, as long as he refrains from: cocktails, prostitution, honey traps, horseback riding in private, flying, walking to his car late at night, traveling outside the nation, AND, he remembers, or, has his chauffer to remember, to always check for bombs, and/or tampered brake systems, every time he gets in his vehicle.....maybe he will be okay.

    HOWEVER....is any of that even important? Does this man have a snowball's chance in Hades of actually WINNING?
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