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    And in return they get a free hand in dealing drugs, extortion and murder for hire. It's not like they are in it for the love of Russian state. If a new figure comes along and offers them a better deal than Putin they'll switch sides in an instant. Given that they're heavily connected with the FSB it's not entirely implausible that they could pull a bunch of high-level FSB officers with them if indeed they were persuaded to switch sides. Putin does seem to be in a very powerful position but that position is still, and always will be, extremely fragile because of unnatural alliances between criminals, the state and security services. It's a juggling act and Putin is doing really well. Let's see how he does it with a halved GDP and hostile USA and EU.

    I know people dislike the 1990s Russia but man do I miss it. Putin took credit for the oil price boom that started in 1998 and ended around 2013/14. The Russian economy would've thrived just as much (I happen to think at least 3-4 times better) under the liberal policies of Nemcov and it would've been a free country. I love Russia, but I despise Putin.
    90s Russia fucking abandoned your little Serbia to be bombed and dismembered by NATO A national disgrace many there feel to this day. Nothing to love about that time in Russia history. Not that most of her history, including today, is much better... At least, they got Crimea back, many are happy about that
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    I was debating putting this on the Current Events page.
    This topic might get a lot of participation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thrilling View Post
    I was debating putting this on the Current Events page.
    This topic might get a lot of participation.
    Or World Politics. I wondered why you decided to put here. Lounge seems to be where most threads die quickly lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Or World Politics. I wondered why you decided to put here. Lounge seems to be where most threads die quickly lol
    I will ask if they can move it. Thank you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    90s Russia fucking abandoned your little Serbia to be bombed and dismembered by NATO A national disgrace many there feel to this day. Nothing to live about that time in Russia history. Not tbat most of her history, including today, is much better... At least, they got Crimea back, many are happy about that
    Although that is true, the 1990s Russia was stabilizing by the end of that decade. I honestly believe that had democracy been allowed to take stronger roots, Russia would now be a far greater economic and military power. Sometimes it pays off to sacrifice in the short term in order to get much more in the long term... Then again Russia might have been dismembered itself... Who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by res View Post
    Although that is true, the 1990s Russia was stabilizing by the end of that decade. I honestly believe that had democracy been allowed to take stronger roots, Russia would now be a far greater economic and military power. Sometimes it pays off to sacrifice in the short term in order to get much more in the long term... Then again Russia might have been dismembered itself... Who knows.
    1990s Russia had no good future. Honestly. When Soviet Union went away, yes, many bad things fell away with it, Communist Party, KGB, etc; but so did any meaningful law and order. Organized crime took over the streets. The mafia began to rule entire towns. Disputes over territory and business began to be settled openly, at meetings called "strelka"

    The word comes from "strelyat", Russian for "to shoot", because these confrontations often did end in exchanges of gunfire. These guys rarely resolved their shit peacefully. In this case, in this video from the popular Russian TV mob flick "Brigada", the two bosses, Sasha Belov, who leads a Slavic gang inspired by the fearsome real life Orekhovo mob group that to this day controls Moscow suburbs around the town of the same name; and Farhad (cannot remember last name), leader of an "ethnic" outfit from Tajikistan, luckily, are old army buddies, as it turns out, they recognize each other and are very happy to see each other, and become great partners as the show goes on, Farhad imports drugs from Tajikistan, Sasha uses his local dealers to distribute them, they both get rich, by Season 2, Farhad has a golden Rolex he shows off to Sasha, who rolls his eyes and shows him his diamond encrusted one

    Later on, some other gang murders Farhad and then Sasha takes horrible, bloody revenge on all of them. And I mean all, like, fucking 200 guys killed in a single episode. No Sopranos in America could ever top that lmao

    But, point is, these guys basically ruled the country. Police were all but non-existent. Even the gutted leftovers of the KGB, the FSK, later renamed to FSB, were basically useless at the time.

    Putin is respected because he supposedly took the country back from these fuckers. He didn't, of course. He merely made an understanding with some, allied the security apparatus with them, helping get rid of their rivals. In turn, after they divided up Russia amongst themselves, they had to promise Putin that things will be quiet now. No more wild gun fights in the streets, cars blown up, no more shit like that. They had to conduct their business quietly. Even, they have to kill someone, fine, take him sonewhere out of town, into the woods, and do him where nobody will see or hear. Not in public, basically.

    Hence, now, Putin gets credit for defeating the mafia, because Moscow is quiet(er). Even though in the provinces, especially small towns, pretty much NOTHING has changed since the 90s. Gangsters still rule there. Only, they have also taken over legit political offices. Mob bosses are now mayors, and even regional governors, in some cases!

    I don't know... I don't know when or if anything will ever change for the better there...

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    Shit, you made me remember that whole show lol

    I used to love Brigada, like many Russians. This is my favorite bit, where Sasha Belov personally comes to take revenge on a former dirty cop turned businessman who had crossed him many times over the course of the show, and killed a bunch of his close friends

    That show pretty much launched Sergey Bezrukov's whole acting career... He became the most badass dude on Russian TV, in late 90s and early 2000s.

    Regrets it now though, actually, I read a recent interview. He knows his show drove many young guys into organized crime. And plenty of them got killed as a result too... It all weighs on his conscience...

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    Chilling documentary reveals how*Russian hooligans plan to ambush England fans at next year's World Cup


    “I must admit there was like one British hooligan, he was in a coma. I was thinking to myself, like, ‘Shit, I bet that’s my guy, because I really like hit him properly on his head’.”
    Not even animals do this shit.

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