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    Here is the Sputnik news reply. It is a smear campaign.
    https://sputniknews.com/europe/20170...mear-campaign/

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    They are trash, the hooligans. Absolute utter trash.

    It is unbelievable today, to young Russians of my generation, when older people talk about Soviet Union, 40, 50, 60 years ago, how, back then, it was fine, safe, to bring your kid to a football/soccer game!


    Now? Forget about it


    Here, one average Russian soccer game:

    Bloodied man led away by riot cop after a brawl in the stands, you can see torn off, smashed up chairs in the background


    Fan/hooligan who got stabbed in his leg during the brawl


    Someone getting arrested nearby outside the stadium


    Spent casing and blood, I guess someone also got shot too, at the stadium, for good measure


    This what these motherfuckers have turned Russian football into...

    And the government, the authorities, mostly just let them. Yeah, police can arrest them, for public drunkenness and disorderly and conduct and such, they sit around in jail for a few days, and then go back on the streets, to cause more mayhem at stadiums, and not only at stadiums.

    Moscow has four major soccer teams (Spartak, Dynamo, Lokomotiv, and CSKA) and whenever they play each other, or some other big team, especially Zenit from St. Petersburg (HUGE rival of Spartak) comes to town, the Metro, the subway system, turns into a fucking battle zone


    And government just allows this. Simply because they want these assholes around to, as I said, use them for own needs, from time to time...
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    I'm sure the days are gone when a grandfather can take his grandson to a soccer match and feel safe
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    1990s Russia had no good future. Honestly. When Soviet Union went away, yes, many bad things fell away with it, Communist Party, KGB, etc; but so did any meaningful law and order. Organized crime took over the streets. The mafia began to rule entire towns. Disputes over territory and business began to be settled openly, at meetings called "strelka"

    The word comes from "strelyat", Russian for "to shoot", because these confrontations often did end in exchanges of gunfire. These guys rarely resolved their shit peacefully. In this case, in this video from the popular Russian TV mob flick "Brigada", the two bosses, Sasha Belov, who leads a Slavic gang inspired by the fearsome real life Orekhovo mob group that to this day controls Moscow suburbs around the town of the same name; and Farhad (cannot remember last name), leader of an "ethnic" outfit from Tajikistan, luckily, are old army buddies, as it turns out, they recognize each other and are very happy to see each other, and become great partners as the show goes on, Farhad imports drugs from Tajikistan, Sasha uses his local dealers to distribute them, they both get rich, by Season 2, Farhad has a golden Rolex he shows off to Sasha, who rolls his eyes and shows him his diamond encrusted one

    Later on, some other gang murders Farhad and then Sasha takes horrible, bloody revenge on all of them. And I mean all, like, fucking 200 guys killed in a single episode. No Sopranos in America could ever top that lmao

    But, point is, these guys basically ruled the country. Police were all but non-existent. Even the gutted leftovers of the KGB, the FSK, later renamed to FSB, were basically useless at the time.

    Putin is respected because he supposedly took the country back from these fuckers. He didn't, of course. He merely made an understanding with some, allied the security apparatus with them, helping get rid of their rivals. In turn, after they divided up Russia amongst themselves, they had to promise Putin that things will be quiet now. No more wild gun fights in the streets, cars blown up, no more shit like that. They had to conduct their business quietly. Even, they have to kill someone, fine, take him sonewhere out of town, into the woods, and do him where nobody will see or hear. Not in public, basically.

    Hence, now, Putin gets credit for defeating the mafia, because Moscow is quiet(er). Even though in the provinces, especially small towns, pretty much NOTHING has changed since the 90s. Gangsters still rule there. Only, they have also taken over legit political offices. Mob bosses are now mayors, and even regional governors, in some cases!

    I don't know... I don't know when or if anything will ever change for the better there...
    This is where I think you're wrong. Sure 1990s Russia was a myriad of clusterfucks. It had to be. Every ex-communist society had to deal with a painful transition back to a market economy. But if you read Anna Politkovskaya she is very clear that by the late 1990s courts were starting to defy local power centers, judges and prosecutors were increasingly upholding the law and in general rule of law and democracy were beginning to take hold in Russia. I'm not saying it was anything spectacular but the signs were there. Then came Putin, and things are now even worse than they were during the 90s.

    Just to make sure. I wouldn't dare question you about Putin's dealings with the underworld, mostly cause I absolutely believe you. The economic boom in Russia in the mid 2000s had fuck all to do with Putin. He just took credit for it. But had the democratic Russia been allowed to live I am sure the Russian people would not be suffering from a halved GDP and a Beria's Cheka like domestic oppression.

    It's shame. The country and its people have such immense potential, and yet its being stifled by a brutal dictator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Gangsters still rule there. Only, they have also taken over legit political offices. Mob bosses are now mayors, and even regional governors, in some cases!
    I find it interesting that here in the United States, we don't really hear about the mob anymore at all. Why not? Did they just dry up and blow away?

    Seems reasonable to me that the same thing happened here. They went to Yale and Harvard, got law degrees, and went to work for Goldman Sachs. Why would you risk your life selling drugs when you can send your kids off to Wall Street (i.e., Washington)?

    Eventually our justice system has to catch up... doesn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    I find it interesting that here in the United States, we don't really hear about the mob anymore at all. Why not? Did they just dry up and blow away?

    Seems reasonable to me that the same thing happened here. They went to Yale and Harvard, got law degrees, and went to work for Goldman Sachs. Why would you risk your life selling drugs when you can send your kids off to Wall Street (i.e., Washington)?

    Eventually our justice system has to catch up... doesn't it?
    Not exactly, over there they are still criminals, very much. They have political power, but they also continue to run their organized crime empires. Under Putin's protection... That's what's so fucked up...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Not exactly, over there they are still criminals, very much. They have political power, but they also continue to run their organized crime empires. Under Putin's protection... That's what's so fucked up...
    Whereas here, they have simply graduated to OG status.
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    Alexei Smertin named as Russia’s anti-racism inspector before 2018 World Cup

    https://www.theguardian.com/football...alexei-smertin

    “There’s no racism in Russia, because it doesn’t exist,” he said on the BBC’s World Football programme. “It is something against the opposition, not against a person.
    “Racism in Russia is like fashion,” Smertin added. “It comes from abroad, from different countries. It was never, ever here before. Ten years ago, some fans may have given a banana to black guys – it was just for fun. I think the media is making the wrong image of Russia.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    Interesting. So does the sport inspire them to become this violent or do they use it as an excuse to be violent?
    The English have been at the Hooligan game for decades. The Russians seem to be late but strong entrants. I do not know why that sort of thing follows soccer. The game is boring so maybe fighting is their only avenue for match day entertainment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zephyr View Post
    The English have been at the Hooligan game for decades. The Russians seem to be late but strong entrants. I do not know why that sort of thing follows soccer. The game is boring so maybe fighting is their only avenue for match day entertainment?
    It's not the futball. it's the fact that it's the sanctioned place where young-ish men come together to consume mass quantities of alcohol. You could start a knitting circle of young men pounding shots of vodka and they'd wind up in jail, too.
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