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    The secret world of Russia football hooligans

    The secret world of Russia football hooligans - BBC News

    At the 2016 European Championships, violent clashes between Russian and English supporters in Marseille put the spotlight on Russian hooliganism.

    Russian hooligans injured over 100 English supporters, beating two into a coma.

    It has raised serious concerns ahead of Russia hosting the 2018 World Cup.

    In rare interviews with members of the Orel Butchers - who violently attacked English fans in Marseille - a world is revealed where brutal violence has become a mark of honour.

    Watch the full programme Russia's Hooligan Army, BBC 2, on iPlayer, first broadcast Thursday 16th February
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    Interesting. So does the sport inspire them to become this violent or do they use it as an excuse to be violent?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    Interesting. So does the sport inspire them to become this violent or do they use it as an excuse to be violent?
    Too well organized to be simply inspired to fight on those days in Marseilles.
    https://www.theguardian.com/football...ille-euro-2016

    Roaming Russian fans approached the violence, which occurred before and after England’s opening Euro 2016 game in Marseille, with “military organization”, fans said, as Uefa opened disciplinary proceedings against Russia’s football union.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thrilling View Post
    Too well organized to be simply inspired to fight on those days in Marseilles.
    https://www.theguardian.com/football...ille-euro-2016

    Roaming Russian fans approached the violence, which occurred before and after England’s opening Euro 2016 game in Marseille, with “military organization”, fans said, as Uefa opened disciplinary proceedings against Russia’s football union.
    So what's the point of beating up the fans?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    So what's the point of beating up the fans?
    Putin denies that the Kremlin ordered these attacks, but...
    https://www.theguardian.com/football...vladimir-putin
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    The government in Russia organizes and controls these groups and uses them for own purposes. Right now, for example, large numbers of hooligans affiliated with the local football club Zenit are being brought to the St. Isaac Cathedral in St. Petersburg. The cathedral is being handed over to the Orthodox Church for ownership. Thousands of locals came to protest this, they want the catgedral to remain as it is: a museum, available for secular tourist visits, as well as Church services. The hooligans are being assembled there to add muscle to the various supporters of the Church, to intimidate the secular protesters...

    Spartak and other Moscow hooligans, in another example, were sent into Khimki forest there, back in 2011, to beat up environmentalists protesting against cutting down of trees in the forest to make room for a new highway. Nadya Tolokonnikova, later of Pussy Riit fame, was among the protesters there, they broke her arm actually...

    Hooligans are among the hired thugs of the State in Russia.

    Good news is, if the Kremlin wants to keep them on a leash in 2018, they can and will do that
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    The government in Russia organizes and controls these groups and uses them for own purposes. Right now, for example, large numbers of hooligans affiliated with the local football club Zenit are being brought to the St. Isaac Cathedral in St. Petersburg. The cathedral is being handed over to the Orthodox Church for ownership. Thousands of locals came to protest this, they want the catgedral to remain as it is: a museum, available for secular tourist visits, as well as Church services. The hooligans are being assembled there to add muscle to the various supporters of the Church, to intimidate the secular protesters...

    Spartak and other Moscow hooligans, in another example, were sent into Khimki forest there, back in 2011, to beat up environmentalists protesting against cutting down of trees in the forest to make room for a new highway. Nadya Tolokonnikova, later of Pussy Riit fame, was among the protesters there, they broke her arm actually...

    Hooligans are among the hired thugs of the State in Russia.

    Good news is, if the Kremlin wants to keep them on a leash in 2018, they can and will do that
    Very interesting. Disturbing, yet interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    The government in Russia organizes and controls these groups and uses them for own purposes. Right now, for example, large numbers of hooligans affiliated with the local football club Zenit are being brought to the St. Isaac Cathedral in St. Petersburg. The cathedral is being handed over to the Orthodox Church for ownership. Thousands of locals came to protest this, they want the catgedral to remain as it is: a museum, available for secular tourist visits, as well as Church services. The hooligans are being assembled there to add muscle to the various supporters of the Church, to intimidate the secular protesters...

    Spartak and other Moscow hooligans, in another example, were sent into Khimki forest there, back in 2011, to beat up environmentalists protesting against cutting down of trees in the forest to make room for a new highway. Nadya Tolokonnikova, later of Pussy Riit fame, was among the protesters there, they broke her arm actually...

    Hooligans are among the hired thugs of the State in Russia.

    Good news is, if the Kremlin wants to keep them on a leash in 2018, they can and will do that
    And in return they get a free hand in dealing drugs, extortion and murder for hire. It's not like they are in it for the love of Russian state. If a new figure comes along and offers them a better deal than Putin they'll switch sides in an instant. Given that they're heavily connected with the FSB it's not entirely implausible that they could pull a bunch of high-level FSB officers with them if indeed they were persuaded to switch sides. Putin does seem to be in a very powerful position but that position is still, and always will be, extremely fragile because of unnatural alliances between criminals, the state and security services. It's a juggling act and Putin is doing really well. Let's see how he does it with a halved GDP and hostile USA and EU.

    I know people dislike the 1990s Russia but man do I miss it. Putin took credit for the oil price boom that started in 1998 and ended around 2013/14. The Russian economy would've thrived just as much (I happen to think at least 3-4 times better) under the liberal policies of Nemcov and it would've been a free country. I love Russia, but I despise Putin.
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