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    Russia recognizes Donbass rebel passports

    Putin just issued a decree that ID documents issued to persons in areas of Ukraine's Donbass region that are not controlled by Kiev, issued by "appropriate bodies" who actually, de facto, control these areas, that is, the separatist governments of Donetsk and Lugansk "People's Republics" (DNR and LNR) will be recognized as legitimate documents in Russia: Putin signs decree: Russia's reconition of DPR and LPR documents

    DNR and LNR began issuing their own passports, driver licences, and car plates in 2015









    Until now, Russia did not officially recognize the separatist governments. However, people who wanted to enter across Russian border from Donbass with DNR or LNR passports were allowed to do so anyway. There just was no official, public recognition.

    That this is happening right as, once again, a Trump guy talked crap about Russia over the Ukraine issue (Pence in Munich) is no coincidence, IMHO A message, this is, from Putin to Trump.

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    And now, one of the rebel republics is officially switching to Russian currency:

    The self-proclaimed Luhansk People's Republic will adopt the Russian ruble as its official currency on March 1.

    The Luhansk government, which currently uses rubles unofficially alongside the Ukrainian hryvnia, claimed that the change would help to stabilize the breakaway republic's volatile economy.

    The republic's state bank will make daily announcements on the rate of the ruble against the U.S. dollar, euro, and hryvnia as part of the deal.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin signed an executive order to officially recognize passports issued the Luhansk and Donetsk People's Republics on Saturday.

    Russia will also begin to recognize education documents, certificates recording births, deaths, marriages, and divorces, and automobile registrations.

    This decision follows reports earlier this month by the RBC news agency that Russian border authorities were already accepting identification papers unofficially.
    Ukraine's Breakaway Luhansk Republic Declares Ruble Official Currency

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    OK, so are these areas actually separatist or are they just in the process of becoming part of Russia again? Why wouldn't an actual independent republic want its own currency?

    How long are we expecting Ukraine to continue to exist, btw? This is looking a bit like Czechoslovakia in the 1930s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tnbskts View Post
    OK, so are these areas actually separatist or are they just in the process of becoming part of Russia again? Why wouldn't an actual independent republic want its own currency?

    How long are we expecting Ukraine to continue to exist, btw? This is looking a bit like Czechoslovakia in the 1930s.
    A. They are separatist, in that they want to separate from Ukraine. Whether or not Russia will annex depends on what Putin wants. And nobody really knows that... I still say there will be no formal annexation, no singing them into the Federation, like Crimea. That's just unrealistic, economically. Russia cannot feed three million more people. Period. Simple as that. The Russian economy cannot take on the costs of restoration of all the damaged infrastructure there, as well as the wages and pensions. Nah, Putin would rather just keep Donbass as it is. This constantly bleeding open wound on the body of Ukraine, festering, oozing, infected wound. Which keeps them from integration into EU and, even more importantly, NATO.

    B. No, I don't think there are any plans to invade the rest of Ukraine. If for no other reasons than economic ones explained above.

    C. It is very interesting, over there.

    There is a rich Ukrainian oligarch, Rinat Akhmetov


    He is a big mining magnate, he used to own all the mines in Donbass


    He also owned the local Shakhter soccer team and build, in 2009, the grand new stadium in Donetsk, Donbass arena

    He used to own EVERYTHING in Donbass, frankly. He was, at one point, the richest man in Ukraine, officially. Probably still is.

    Today, the Rinat Akhmetov Foundation hands out humanitarian aid to civilians there, at the stadium


    Most of Donbass mines, today, are on DNR or LNR territory, and controlled by the rebels


    However.

    Mr. Akhmetov, who was pretty close to ex-President Yanukovich, who was ousted by the Maidan coup and fled to Moscow, sparking the current crisis

    seems to have some sort of an understanding with the rebel leadership, many of whom are also Yanukovich people.

    He continues to pay salaries to the miners and, probably, nice kickbacks to the rebel bosses in Donetsk and Lugansk. In turn, the separatists keep his mines running, do not interfere with the operations, and allow him to collect his profits. Even the Ukrainian government in Kiev profits financially as well, as Akhmetov pays them taxes from his profits.

    Even Akhmetov's mansion, unlike those of other pro-Maidan oligarchs and local politicians who backed Kiev, was not seized, ransacked, and nationalized by the separatists; moreover, they are protecting it, even posted armed guards at the gates!

    Among Ukrainian media, there have been claims that Akhmetov secretly visits DOnetsk, still, and stays at his mansion there.

    Many Ukrainian nationalists consider him a secret sponsor of the separatists/"terrorists"

    Putin's own man in Kiev, I heard that said.

    Lately, some nationalist groups have demanded Kiev stop doing any business with the seps, especially - buying coal from them. Ukraine has little choice, that's pretty their only source of coal, which they need, as most of their electricity comes from coal, and heating too. The nationalists, however, say this is Ukraine feeding its own enemy. Not really wrong either, IMHO. But, again, what choice is there?

    But, the nationalists have been organizing a coal blockade of Donbass. They want to stop all the coal trains from there.

    Well, some think Mr. Akhmetov, who, of course, stands to lose serious money from any such blockade, is working to prevent this.

    He has influence in Moscow too.

    For example, he is friends with Igor Krutoy, a famous Russian composer, singer, very wealthy music mogul, and a man with powerful government connections

    Krutoy is also originally from Ukraine, btw, from Kirovograd oblast.

    He is also tight with big Russian oligarchs, including Roman Abramovich

    The guy many in Russia refer to as "Putin's wallet", who takes care of all of Putin's secret billions hidden away everywhere.

    Akhmetov may be using his friends in Moscow to get Putin to do this, turn up the heat on Kiev a bit, to get them to back off from any own gestures that threaten his (Akhmetov's) business.

    That's former USSR for ya. From Communism to, now, much crazier form of capitalism than anything your Western bourgeois could ever imagine lol

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    How is this of any concern to America?

    And as a side note:


    US Military Readiness Is at a Dangerous Low

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    Quote Originally Posted by excalibur View Post
    How is this of any concern to America?

    And as a side note:


    US Military Readiness Is at a Dangerous Low
    I don't know. You tell me.

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    This looks like the sort of government that Donald Trump would appreciate - the leaders and their pals get filthy rich from the natural resources of the country while everyone else just gets along as best they can. The frustrating thing is that people are electing these thugs into power all over Europe. At this rate Putin will end up getting his wish to control Europe from the Atlantic to the Pacific, and he won't have had to invade and conquer like the Romans and the French and the Germans, he'll sit there with his hand out and the other countries will give him the keys.
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