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    Quote Originally Posted by syrenn View Post
    i think what he is asking is that the other countries live up to their share, of which they have been welshing on.

    Am all for being selective where we (as a country) throw money. The US has always been a compassionate/giving country. And if Japan is hit with another tsunami would suspect we will be there to help.

    But the reality is that US annual budget runs hundreds of billions of deficits every year. Not too long ago 30-40 cents of every dollar the Federal govt spent was being borrowed. And that number has only gone down nominally. It is not sustainable for the long term...


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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    Am all for being selective where we (as a country) throw money. The US has always been a compassionate/giving country. And if Japan is hit with another tsunami would suspect we will be there to help.

    But the reality is that US annual budget runs hundreds of billions of deficits every year. Not too long ago 30-40 cents of every dollar the Federal govt spent was being borrowed. And that number has only gone down nominally. It is not sustainable for the long term...


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    i agree. Which is why i say we need to cut all of this crap by more then 50%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    This has been one of my main reasons for opposing Trump - besides the fact that he an idiot and certifiable. We have built up international relationships and have been a leader in the world and it has been overall a good thing for us and the world. For us to withdraw from all of that would be just plain wrong. This blog post makes that point much better than I ever could.

    We’re not perfect. We screw up. But if you think Vladimir Putin is going to provide strategic lift and take the lead in doing humanitarian assistance, disaster management, and emergency response if the US pulls back or that the People’s Republic of China will, then you are deluding yourself. One day the PRC may be ready and willing and able to do so, but they aren’t now. And even if they reach the point where they have those capabilities, they may not have the desire or will to do so.

    Trump is too shortsighted and ignorant of history to understand all of this. And so many of his supporters think it's smart for us to disengage and they see it as putting America first, but ultimately, it's bad policy.

    https://www.balloon-juice.com/2017/0...t-to-consider/
    Thanks for this.

    But it's not just humanitarian aid that many countries abroad depend on the US for. The US established the GATT that transformed into WTO, the UN, the World Bank Group and the IMF. It is a whole international system build around democratic principles. As the blog you cited says - like America it isn't perfect - but it is by far the best global model we have and have been able to establish until now. It is based on multilateralism. Every time I hear Trump say he wants to do away with multilateralism and do bilateral trade deals chills run down my spine because what he is really saying is that he wants to revert to the pre WWII era.
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    The deep state is the problem that all presidents face. It's too early to tell if Trump is at war with the deep state, or if he is looking for a way to take a piece of the pie. Words like humanitarian are used for their effect much like patriot. None of us want to be branded as being inhumane, so my question is, why were there zero prosecutions after the market makers and investment bankers stole $17 trillion from the world economy?

    History tells us that Barack Obama and Eric Holder gave aid and abet as icing on the cake of a corporate coup d'etat. If you know history, FDR had to be talked into the New Deal. The main reason that FDR finally gave us the New Deal was to save capitalism. As spring approaches and protests continue to organize, Trump is left with only 2 options. Trump's ego has to be telling him that doing a deal for the people will lead to his head being added to Mount Rushmore.


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    looks good to me, hate Trump love trump. every one should hope he as an administration that is worthy of Rushmore.

    you should hope that of every president.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chaos View Post
    History tells us that Barack Obama and Eric Holder gave aid and abet as icing on the cake of a corporate coup d'etat.
    Why would you single out just those two? The deregulation of the financial industry goes back to at least the early 1990's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    Why would you single out just those two? The deregulation of the financial industry goes back to at least the early 1990's.
    Hundreds of Wall Street execs went to prison because of the 1990 financial scandal. Obama and Holder had zero indictments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by res View Post
    Thanks for this.

    But it's not just humanitarian aid that many countries abroad depend on the US for. The US established the GATT that transformed into WTO, the UN, the World Bank Group and the IMF. It is a whole international system build around democratic principles. As the blog you cited says - like America it isn't perfect - but it is by far the best global model we have and have been able to establish until now. It is based on multilateralism. Every time I hear Trump say he wants to do away with multilateralism and do bilateral trade deals chills run down my spine because what he is really saying is that he wants to revert to the pre WWII era.
    Bingo!!!! That's exactly the point! Some things haven't worked out great since WWII, but things have actually been a lot better since then, geopolitically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    Bingo!!!! That's exactly the point! Some things haven't worked out great since WWII, but things have actually been a lot better since then, geopolitically.
    Bombing nonwhite nations into submission in order to steal their natural resources has worked out great. Who cares about the $20 trillion national debt and all the dead babies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chaos View Post
    Bombing nonwhite nations into submission in order to steal their natural resources has worked out great. Who cares about the $20 trillion national debt and all the dead babies?
    You have the 20 trillion national debt because of your bankers and other financiers who have successfully lobbied your government to completely deregulate their industry. With the deregulation that is already happening and the intention of Republicans to basically repeal Dodd-Frank, we're in for another boom-and-bust cycle. US$ 20 trillion will seem like a picnic by the time banks are done with your economy.

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