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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    Religious freedom in the long term creates more harmony among people of different faiths. The problem with the JW's, they are required to recruit and are very irritating. They roam our neighborhoods, knocking on the door, etc. I had one grab my arm as I was backing out of my driveway. I literally hide from them. If I see them roaming around, I wait until they leave. The ones I have met tho are pretty nice folks..you would not know if they are JW unless they told you I have never met a Scientologist. Seems like they are more of a California, wealthy people organization.
    JW's are pretty easy to deal with, simply tell them to put you on their "do not call on list" and they will. They have territories and they are required to spread the gospel, rather than use mass media, they use individual members who go door to door. That is in scripture. Most people hate JW's because they are not trinitarians and do not celebrate Christmas and of course for the door to door thing.
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    Putin and the Orthodox Church just don't want any "foreign" Christian groups in Russia, whom they cannot control

    They want to be able to control all messaging to the population, including religious...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    It's a failure of American law that our religious freedom is extended to groups like Scientology and the JWs. It's not a feature of American life I can recommend to anyone.

    It is always unfortunate when the mainstream churches enter politics and seek wealth and power, but that error will not be corrected by allowing in more brainwashing cults that harm Russian families.
    It always amazed me how the Scientologists won that case for tax exemption. Their dogma is absurd...then again, aren't most?
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    I don't think it's fair at all to compare JWs to Scientologists.

    JWs are - weird

    Scientology is a comically absurd cult. Sheer nonsense.

    (I'd put Mormons WAY closer to crazy than JWs)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    I don't think it's fair at all to compare JWs to Scientologists.

    JWs are - weird

    Scientology is a comically absurd cult. Sheer nonsense.

    (I'd put Mormons WAY closer to crazy than JWs)
    I'm not making the comparison. I'm just commenting on the case where they won tax exemption.

    But if I were to, I consider them both nuts.
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    This thread is just depressing.

    It sometimes feels like 9/10 of the world just refuses to grow up.

    I long for the day that humanity can tell the difference between God and Santa.
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    I like Mormons, at least Russian ones.

    Russian Mormons, for example, have "Helping Hands" groups, which clean up parks and perform other free public services in their community

    Apparently, this is a Mormon tradition which began in South Africa

    Mormons ain't bad people IMHO

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    MOSCOW – Russia's Supreme Court has upheld the decision of a Russian city to ban Jehovah's Witnesses as an extremist group.

    The decision Thursday came amid proceedings on a Justice Ministry suit to ban the religious organization in Russia altogether.

    Jehovah's Witnesses claim more than 170,000 adherents in Russia. The group, however, has come under increasing pressure over the past year, including a ban on distributing literature deemed to violate Russia's anti-extremism laws and an outright ban in the Far East city of Birobidzhan.

    In February, Russian investigators inspected the religion's headquarters in St. Petersburg.

    Prior to the ruling, David A. Semonian, a spokesman at its world headquarters in New York, said the group hopes "Russia's Supreme Court will uphold the rights of our fellow believers in Russia to freely carry out their peaceful worship."
    Russia's Supreme Court upholds ban on Jehovah's Witnesses | Fox News

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    When Jehovah's Witnesses arrived at the Russian Supreme Court on Wednesday morning, crowds lined the streets. Dozens of people waited in the cold for hours, hoping for a chance to get into the courtroom. State television described the crowds as supporters of the Jehovah's Witnesses, and one outlet claimed the group often targeted Russia's youth as potential converts.

    But the crowd hadn't come to fight for Russia's religious freedom. Most of the people lined up were students from Moscow State Linguistic University, and they'd been promised a field trip, where they expected to learn about the Russian court system, sitting in on a real trial.

    Students Kira and Alina (not their real names) said they were looking forward to being inside the court. “When else would I get an opportunity to see justice in action?” Kira told The Moscow Times.

    Both women had been invited a few days earlier, when a man they'd never seen before interrupted a lecture to invite students to the trial.

    The man said he needed 30 people from the department to show up outside the Supreme Court, early in the morning. He warned students to dress “nicely,” not to take pictures in court, not to post anything on social networks, and not to talk to the press.

    “It sounded a bit bizarre,” admitted Ruslan (not his real name), another student who agreed to attend the hearing.

    “In the end, we figured that it would normal, for this kind of thing,” Alina explained.

    The students arrived at the courthouse early the next morning, only to find themselves waiting in line with dozens of students from other departments, as well as some older visitors. They'd been told to arrive at 8:00 a.m., though the hearing didn't start until 10:00 a.m.

    “We were baffled,” Kira said.

    Tempers frayed when the crowd was told that the courtroom was already full, before the hearing even started.

    “One of our professors went with us. He was appalled, too. He didn't know it would turn out the way it did,” Kira said. Cold and disappointed, the students left and went on with their day, only to discover later in the afternoon that they'd actually made headlines.

    The state-run news agency RIA Novosti described the students as “a huge line of Jehovah's Witnesses.”

    The television network NTV ran a similar story, as did Channel 5, even including close-ups of the students' faces.

    None of the journalists had talked to them in person, the students said.

    Instructed not to give interviews, they had ignored questions from Russia's state-funded Channel 5. “[The correspondents] were asking us whether we would comment,” Alina told The Moscow Times. “We kept silent and just turned away.”

    “I saw my face in a close-up shot on Channel 5,” said Eldar (not his real name), an Azeri student who also went to the court. “I felt so much rage — being called something I am not!”

    An official spokesperson for the Jehovah's Witnesses also confirmed that a large number of those waiting outside the Supreme Court had not been members of their organization.

    Yaroslav Sivulsky, a spokesperson for Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia, said the crowd size had surprised him. “Some of our supporters were outside, but of course the whole crowd couldn't come in. The courtroom was full,” he said. “We didn't know who they were, but later someone told me that they had come from a university.”

    The incident left many of the students confused and angry.

    “It still isn't clear why someone needed to gather us in front of the court,” Ivan said. “The dean of our faculty is surprised and appalled. He told me that the university rector asked him to send students to the court for educational purposes.”

    Ivan also stressed that Moscow State Linguistic University has never been involved in politics, explaining that students have never been forced to attend patriotic or pro-Kremlin events, and — unlike many other universities across the country — no faculty reprimanded students for attending anti-corruption rallies on March 26.

    The university's students have their own theories about why they were sent to the courthouse. “Maybe they wanted us to occupy seats in the courtroom in order [to stop] actual supporters from getting in,” Alina suggested.

    Neither the university, Channel 5, nor NTV responded to requests for clarification about this story.

    A spokesperson for RIA Novosti told The Moscow Times that they used information from the court to describe the number of Jehovah's Witnesses at the trial. The news outlet did not specify where the information about a “large line of supporters” in front of the courthouse had been obtained.

    Alexander Verkhovsky, director of the Moscow SOVA Center, which monitors abuses of anti-extremism legislation, says the government and Russia's state-backed media had no political reason to attack Jehovah’s Witnesses, but both were keen to portray the group as a cult.

    “This escalation is the result of three factors: anti-Westernism or anti-Americanism, personal prejudices among the higher-ups in the FSB, and anti-cultism. They want Russian people to view them as a cult. That's why the Russian Justice Ministry spoke about the organization’s ban on blood transfusions at length [during the trial].”

    Within the next week, Russia’s Supreme Court is expected to rule on whether to classify Jehovah’s Witnesses as an “extremist organization,” banning the group entirely inside Russia.

    Both the U.S. government and the United Nations have condemned the trial as a misuse of Russia's anti-terrorist legislation.
    Russia’s Phony Jehovah’s Witnesses

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