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    Quote Originally Posted by libertariat720 View Post
    Isn't Russia in a bad recession? Bajisma might be right, some form of a jobs program to stimulate the economy.

    Russia's too dependent on their petroleum and natural gas exports. They rise and fall with that industry. They need to be more diversified.
    They have recently diversified their investments and now have a large stake in the American Presidency.
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    So, I was sitting here, reading Russian military news. Their rearmament and modernization program is very much in full swing.

    The Aerospace Forces will receive 16 new Su-34 fighter-bombers this year, and 92 new Su-34s have been ordered overall, under the program

    https://news.yandex.ru/yandsearch?lr...=ru&from=story

    10 new Su-35C (newest, most adanced version of the 35) fighters will also be supplied this year

    https://news.yandex.ru/yandsearch?lr...=ru&from=story

    And they just received a new A-50U AWACS plane

    A-50U is the newest, most advanced AWACS plane in the A-50 family.
    https://news.yandex.ru/yandsearch?lr...=ru&from=story

    The Navy, meanwhile, wants more corvettes



    The Amur Shipbuilding Factory, in Siberia, who had been slightly behind schedule on their corvette order, have been told to speed up their work and produce a corvette this year, and at least one such vessel every year, from now on

    https://news.yandex.ru/yandsearch?lr...F&from=instory

    Among other things. More submarines also. Millions and millions of dollars. What for? When there are tens of millions of citizens living in 3rd world conditions... Fucked up. So fucked up...
    If you actually listened to Putin you would know why, he has told it many times over - for the same reasons as China - The US threat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    They have recently diversified their investments and now have a large stake in the American Presidency.
    Let me know how that works out for them.

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    When people in your nation are struggling and dying, put them to work building tools of death and destruction, a "good idea" for those who most profit from the contracts to do so and the PR facade of "protecting" their nation, not so great for the people who will still be paid very low wages to do the work

    WWII (an actual war) brought the U.S. out of the Great Depression, but that was not a peace time build-up.

    If a government wants to put people to work in peace time (FDR also did this with the CCC (Civilian Conservation Corps) there is a hell of a lot of infrastructure that needs upgrading and maintenance.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civili...ervation_Corps

    ASCE's 2017 Infrastructure Report Card | GPA: D+


    Eisenhower (a Republican) foresaw two things. The dual use of an interstate highway system for national defense and interstate commerce and those who would promote reasons to go to war for the sake of their personal and political profit.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_System


    "The record of many decades stands as proof that our people and their Government have, in the main, understood these truths and have responded to them well in the face of threat and stress."

    "But threats, new in kind or degree, constantly arise."

    "Of these, I mention two only."

    "A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction."

    "Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea."

    "Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.
    American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions."

    "This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence – economic, political, even spiritual – is felt in every city, every Statehouse, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society."

    "In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."

    "We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together."


    from Dwight D. Eisenhower, Farewell Address - January 17, 1961





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    Well, they are doing other things, than just military industrial, to create jobs.

    There's gonna be lots of new construction jobs in Moscow, for example, with Mayor Sergey Sobyanin planning a massive project to demolish and replace often crumbling Khrushchev-era apartment buildings, which would also involve resettling some 1.6 million residents (!): Goodbye, Khrushchev! Moscow To Bid Farewell To Post-War Housing Blocks

    If Sobyanin actually pulls that through, it will be his legacy indeed... Though, I know folks in Khrushchevkas who are happy where they are and don't really want to move, either. Sobyanin has promised the resettlement will be strictly voluntary, and residents of every building would be properly consulted, before it is demolished. I certainly hope so...
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    Quote Originally Posted by allegoricalfact View Post
    If you actually listened to Putin you would know why, he has told it many times over - for the same reasons as China - The US threat.
    What threat? US and Russia would never go to war. That's a nuclear holocaust. Nobody would go for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by libertariat720 View Post
    Let me know how that works out for them.
    So far, so good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    So far, so good.
    I am sure they'd like Haley to stop constantly mouthing off about Crimea and Ukraine at the UN though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    Fascism...
    speaking of...

    Big, crystal clear examples of fascist economics in America: Bill Clinton's National Homeownership Strategy, Planned Parenthood, Obamacare...

    Socialism and fascism are two sides of the same state collectivist coin, and leftists are enamoured with both...they love systematically commingling virtually limitless central government authority with the private sector to affect (compel) outcomes.

    Leftists don't see economic freedom as the organic driver of broad prosperity... Leftists don't see economic freedom as the most effective means to support and enhance individual rights and liberty for the most people. No, leftists look upon the Private Sector as a Beast of Burden...the creative dreamers, the skilled strivers, the entrepreneurs, the risk takers who comprise it as lowly oxen (who "didn't build that") to be whipped and cursed and lectured and scolded into delivering their increasingly heavy, wholly arbitrary and unconstitutional carts full of meritless "fairness", "equality" and "social justice".

    It's my opinion authoritarian State Collectivists...leftists... have settled more on 'creeping' fascism because they know they can't simply assume ownership of means of production. Fascism gives them the means to surreptitiously control means of production by way of mandates, profit taxes, regulation, "science" (of AGW) without all the bloodshed involved with taking over means of production. YMMV.
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    It will make the U.S. surrender faster.
    The US has already surrendered. Putin rigged his puppet into The White House, and you are doing nothing.

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