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    Economy, war drive Ukainians to Israel

    War in Donbass continues to drive Ukrainians to Israel

    By Tamara Zieve

    March 28, 2017 20:06

    Immigrants arrive in Israel, seeking a better life in Promised Land.



    Ukrainians immigrants arrive in Israel. (photo credit:OLIVIA FITUSSI)

    Some 230 Ukrainian immigrants landed in Israel on Tuesday morning, the latest in a steady stream from the country, which has suffered from a crippled economy since the War in Donbass broke out in April 2014.

    Some of the olim fled from conflict-stricken areas and have lived as refugees in other areas of the country in recent years.

    According to Jewish Agency and Aliyah and Absorption Ministry statistics, some 19,000 Ukrainians have made aliya since 2014, the year the conflict broke out. The peak was in 2015, with 7,400 Ukrainians moving to Israel. From 2013 to 2014, the number of Ukrainian olim almost tripled, jumping from some 2,020 to 5,900, and the Jewish Agency observed an upsurge in queries and applications for aliya since the beginning of the crisis.

    In December 2014, the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews launched its Freedom Flight program, chartering aliya flights independently from the Jewish Agency. It was with the IFCJ that Tuesday’s olim arrived, with bright hopes for their new lives in Israel.

    “Israel is my home,” Lavrinenko Alexander told The Jerusalem Post, during a welcome ceremony at Ben-Gurion Airport attended by Immigration and Absorption Minister Sofa Landver, who is herself an olah from the Former Soviet Union.

    Though it was the first time Alexander had set foot in the country, he was joining his siblings who had already made the move. Alexander hails from the city of Zaporozhye, located next to Donbass. He has felt the conflict most keenly via its economic impact. “There is no future for my children [there],” he said. Alexander, 27, is joined in Israel by his 24-year-old wife and two-year-old son. Having heard about the experiences of his family in Ramle, he is positive that Israel will provide a better life for his family.

    This seems to be the general consensus among the olim. “We decided to come to this country and make a new life – we hope it will be better than in Ukraine,” said 30-year-old Olga Shevtosa of Krivoy Rog, who is pregnant with her first child. “We feel that in our country there is war,” she said, adding that the economic and political situations are dire and that work is hard to come by.

    The IFCJ provides financial and social support for olim after they arrive in Israel to help them integrate into the country, and Shevtosa feels encouraged by the assistance she will receive. The olim receive this aid in addition to the benefits provided to olim by the Immigration and Absorption Ministry.

    The group of new arrivals consists of 78 families, four Holocaust survivors and over 40 children. Among them was 10-year-old Daniel Alekseenko, who acted a as translator for his family. “I am very excited to be in Israel,” Alekseenko told the Post. His family made aliya to Rehovot from Krivoy Rog, and Daniel will be reunited with his aunt and grandmother, who made aliya 20 years ago. His parents, Natalia and Evan, who also have a five-year-old child, point to inflation and instability, explaining that the recent political situation in Ukraine made it difficult to raise young children there. “Any new change brings new opportunities,” Natalia said optimistically.

    In a statement, IFCJ president Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein said: “The olim who join us today carry with them the burden of civil war, and no less of economic war.” Mentioning the upcoming Passover holiday, the “festival of freedom,” Eckstein called on the Jewish people to open their homes to the olim.
    War in Donbass continues to drive Ukrainians to Israel - Diaspora - Jerusalem Post

    Those families don't want their sons getting conscripted and sent off to Donbass, where Ukrainian troops are dying every day:
    Three Ukrainian servicemen killed in Donbas in past 24 hours
    Five Ukrainian officers killed in Mi-2 helicopter crash in Donbas on March 26

    Putin has crated a nasty quagmire for the Ukrainian government there.

    The separatists are very well armed and equipped now.

    Spetsnaz "Volk" ("Wolf")

    Special forces of the Donetsk People's Republic.

    Rebel soldier stands guard at border checkpoint between Ukraine and separatist territory


    Oh, yeah, Uncle Vladimir has been VERY generous hehe

    Neither side is going to openly advance on the other anymore. It would be far too costly.

    Instead, the seps simply harass and bleed the Ukrainians.

    Along the front line, there are rebel snipers everywhere; hiding in abandoned buildings

    and the trees and rubble outdoors


    The Ukrainians get targeted constantly, its very dangerous.

    This Ukrainian Marine officer, Sergey something-or-other

    was speaking to reporters from Kiev, being interviewed, on camera, back in late February, and a sniper took him out. Right in the fucking head, live, on TV... There was a video on YouTube, but gone now. Crazy.

    The Ukrainians, of course, tend to ride around like this (same as Russians, but Russians, at least, are starting to learn better now)

    Sniper's paradise, over there...

    The rebels also fire machine guns, mortars

    artillery, and missiles

    at Ukrainian Army positions, as well as Grad rockets

    The 3 Ukrainians killed yesterday reportedly died in a Grad attack. Grad featured heavily in this whole war. Ukrainians used it a lot, and Russia provided own Grads to the rebels. So, the rockets have been flying back and forth there, causing much destruction...

    DNR and LNR say they only answer Ukrainian "provocations", but, if we are being honest, hell yeah, thy fire first, on many occasions. The goal, is to inflict casualties on the Ukrainian Army, every day. Wear them out, as much as possible. It is a war of attrition now. And not only in terms of dead troops, or even money Kiev is forced to spend on the war.

    Young Ukrainian families leaving the country counts also. Ukraine was in a bad state demographically before all this, high death rate, far surpassing birth rate, population shrinking every year. Losing 2 million with Crimea and another perhaps 800,000 as refugees to Russia from Donbass, along with all this increased migration, only worsens all of that.
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    We are seeing a large amount of both Russians and Ukrainians moving into New England. We just hired 2 new construction workers from there. Didn't want to live there anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    We are seeing a large amount of both Russians and Ukrainians moving into New England. We just hired 2 new construction workers from there. Didn't want to live there anymore.
    Of course. Its not a nice life for most there, in either Russia or Ukraine... People who want a real future for themselves, why would they stay there? Who would want to grow old there? Live on a pension of, like, less than $200 a month in Russia, and half that much in Ukraine? Fuck that...
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    Pretty smart move. Next Ukrainian goverment will be most likely some sort of nazi-goverment that will go after jews.

    Ukrainian war hero and lawmaker slurs Jews

    (JTA) — A Ukrainian lawmaker and war hero used a word usually translated as “kikes” in complaining that Jews wield excessive power in her country.

    Nadiya Savchenko, a fighter jet pilot who was elected to parliament in 2014 while she was still being held as a prisoner of Russia, made the statements on Saturday during a televised interview for the 112 station and insisted they were not indicative of anti-Semitic bias.

    Savchenko was asked to address criticism that in a television interview earlier this month, she failed to condemn the anti-Semitic statements of a caller with whom she seemed to agree.

    During the 112 interview on Saturday, which was conducted in Ukrainian, Savchenko said, “I have nothing against Jews. I do not like ‘kikes.’” She later said Jews possess “80 percent of the power when they only account for 2 percent of the population.”

    In expressing neutrality to Jews, she used the word “evreiv,” which speakers both of Ukrainian and Russian is a neutral designation. But later she used the term “zhidiv,” which in Russian is a pejorative for Jews, akin to “kike” in English.

    Some Ukrainians claim the word “zhid” is the standard designation for a Jew in their language, though leaders of the Ukrainian Jewish community insist it is offensive to Jews in both languages.

    In the same interview, Savchenko cited the fact that Ukraine’s prime minister, Volodymyr Groysman, is Jewish and claimed that the country’s president, Petro Poroshenko, also has Jewish roots along with Yulia Tymoshenko, a former prime minister and a leader of the nation’s Orange Revolution.

    The ancestries of both Proshenko and Timoshenko have been the subject of speculation in Ukraine and beyond.

    During the earlier interview on March 21 for OneNews, Savchenko agreed in principle with a caller who inveighed against a “Jewish takeover of Ukraine.”

    She replied: “Indeed, part of the ruling establishment in Ukraine does not possess distinctly Ukrainian blood and we need to talk about it and act.”

    Russia arrested and tried Savchenko for her role as a Ukrainian soldier in fighting between Ukrainian troops and Russian-baked separatists in 2014 near the Ukrainian border city of Donetsk. Russian judges said she was responsible for the slaying of two journalists. She was released in a prisoner exchange in 2016.

    Her lead defense lawyer in Russia during the trial was the human rights attorney Mark Feigin, who is Jewish. Feigin said he had been detained and harassed repeatedly by authorities for defending Savchenko.


    Ukrainian war hero and lawmaker slurs Jews | Jewish Telegraphic Agency
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    Quote Originally Posted by curiousou View Post
    Pretty smart move. Next Ukrainian goverment will be most likely some sort of nazi-goverment that will go after jews.
    Ukrainian antisemitism is famous and infamous... Going back to the medieval Ukrainian Cossack raids and pogroms against Jewish communities...

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