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    UN Court rules against Ukraine

    Refuses to order Russia to stop supporting the rebels in Donbass; does, however, demand Russia not discriminate Tatars in Crimea:

    The International Court of Justice has rejected Ukraine's request for measures aimed at blocking Russian support for rebels in eastern Ukraine, but imposed measures to rein in discrimination by Moscow against ethnic Tatars and other minorities in Crimea.

    The U.N. court also said Wednesday that it expects both Moscow and Kiev to work to implement the Minsk agreements that were designed to bring peace to conflict-ravaged eastern Ukraine.

    At hearings last month, Ukraine accused Russia of sponsoring terrorism by providing funds and weapons to rebels in Ukraine and of discriminating against Tatars and others in Crimea. Lawyers for Russia rejected the allegations.

    Wednesday's ruling was preliminary decision aimed at preserving Ukraine's rights while the full case makes its way through the court, a process likely to take years.
    UN court rejects Ukraine request to block rebel funding - ABC News
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    How the fuck does it take years for a case to make it through the International court.

    Russian-backed rebels are taking over scores of factories and mines in eastern Ukraine, many of them belonging to a tycoon whose foundation has been the largest provider of humanitarian aid to a war-battered population.

    The moves announced Wednesday by the rebels came after a weekslong blockade of the east by Ukrainian nationalists and right-wingers. The blockade has seriously disrupted trade on both sides, cutting off much of the coal shipments to government-controlled territory and impeding shipments from the mills and factories that are the east's economic backbone.

    The blockade has raised the already high tensions in Ukraine, where a war between government forces and separatist rebels has killed more than 9,800 people in eastern Ukraine since April 2014.

    The Minsk agreement, a 2015 cease-fire pact that has been consistently violated, envisions the rebel-held Donetsk and Luhansk regions remaining in Ukraine, although with expanded local powers. But a recent surge in fighting, the blockade and Russia's decision last month to recognize passports and other documents issued by the rebels have threatened the goal of reintegrating the regions into Ukraine.

    "We are proud that the blockade has hit the pockets of the occupiers. We should call it a war and stop ... all trade with the occupied territories," parliament member Semen Semenchenko, a blockade advocate, told The Associated Press.

    Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko's government has spoken against the blockade, saying it hurts ordinary Ukrainians in the rest of the country by cutting off coal shipments from separatist regions and creating power shortages. However, it has taken no action to break it, fearing to challenge the nationalist groups.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/key-aid-p...081956210.html

    So the Minsk agreement is totally being violated, but the UN and the court want to pretend the current situation is working.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    How the fuck does it take years for a case to make it through the International court.


    https://www.yahoo.com/news/key-aid-p...081956210.html

    So the Minsk agreement is totally being violated, but the UN and the court want to pretend the current situation is working.
    It's a mess over there. In Ukraine, you have all these armed gangs of radical nationalist thugs, like, "Right Sector"

    whom the government is "afraid to challenge", and they just do whatever the hell they want, it's damn nearly a failed state, at this point, a 3rd world banana republic without even the bananas.

    The rebels have indeed decided to take a more direct control of their natural resources and industry




    But Rinat Akhmetov, the Ukrainian tycoon mentioned in your article, who owns everything there

    has long been accused of playing a double game in the conflict, paying taxes to Ukraine from his business in Donbass, yet also paying kickbacks to the rebels for leaving his enterprises alone; and of course, paying wages to many residents there.

    Hell, even as he lives comfortably in Kiev, Akhmetov's factory in Donetsk, Donetsgormash, repairs and services rebel tanks, APCs, and artillery




    This is no secret to anyone, and yet not only have I never heard him speak out against this; nobody in Ukrainian government ever condemned him for it either!

    Akhmetov was close to the exiled President Yanukovich and to various Russian oligarchs and probably the Russian government too, through them.

    More about him:
    Rinat Akhmetov and the crisis in Donetsk
    Russia recognizes Donbass rebel passports

    God knows what arrangement he may still have with the separatists.

    I don't blame the court, honestly, npt wanting to get too tangled up in all this crap...
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    unfucking believable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thrilling View Post
    unfucking believable.
    Not to me. I know damn near first hand how complex and corrupt things are over there. I recall, for example, stories from my own father, about the war in our Abkhazia in the 90s, when Georgian military would pay bribes to high ranking Russian officers to sell them powerful artillery and missiles to bomb us all with; and then our own government would pay bigger bribes to other high ranking Russians to hit those same Georgians with air strikes and destroy those missiles and cannons lmao

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