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    The Un-Holy One The Man's Avatar
    Jul 2011



    The Russian-backed rebels in eastern Ukraine have declared their ambition to rule the country under the banner of Malorossiya—literally translated as “Little Russia.” Original recipe Russia is not taking the homage too well.

    “The statement made by [Alexander] Zakharchenko this morning on the topic of Malorossiya seems to be his own personal initiative, and in Moscow we learned about it this morning in the press,” Dmitry Peskov, spokesman of Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Tuesday.

    Commenting on the rebel leader’s words, Peskov said the Kremlin was committed to the current ceasefire deal in Ukraine—something the Malorossiya announcement flies in the face of.

    Separatist militants took over parts of eastern Ukraine in 2014, and Russia has conceded that it has provided backing for the groups. However, the Kremlin has always sought to deny that the militants under Zakharchenko’s command in Donetsk and under separate leadership in Luhansk are ultimately led by Russia’s own forces.

    Other officials backed Peskov’s interpretation, which likely dealt a blow to the Russia-facing ambitions of Zakharchenko. “I interpret this only as an invitation for discussion,” said Boris Gryzlov, former chairman of Putin’s United Russia party, who now leads Russia’s delegation in Ukraine peace talks. Speaking after Zakharchenko’s rhetorical bombshell, Gryzlov told state news agency Itar-Tass on Tuesday he did not expect it to have “any statutory consequences.”

    Speaking much more bluntly, but off the record, a Russian government official told news channel RBC that Vladimir Surkov, Putin’s pointman on Ukraine policy, was not involved in Zakharchenko’s announcement.

    “The initiative 100 percent did not come from Surkov,” one official told RBC. Another mirrored Peskov’s words and underlined that “the administration was not in the loop.”

    In previous instances Russian press and officials were quick to spread the rebel side of the story, such as in 2014 when Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was shot down in eastern Ukraine by what now all but Moscow and Donetsk agree was a Russian-made rebel missile—but the Malorossiya announcement received a skeptical response.

    A Russian political expert widely linked to Surkov, Alexey Chesnakov, poured more skepticism on the Little Russia idea, telling Tass that “within a month everyone, including the authors of the idea, will forget about Malorossiya.”

    “The project of creating Malorossiya is propagated by bloggers and writers close to the leadership of the Donetsk People’s Republic,” Chesnakov said, referring to Zakharchenko’s separatist formation. “Among DNR’s very leadership, many do not consider it seriously.”

    In Luhansk region, the other separatist-infested Ukrainian territory where rebels have themselves shown a penchant for maverick announcements, such as challenging the Ukrainian president to fisticuffs with the country’s fate at stake, also distanced itself from Zakharchenko’s idea.

    While Russia’s annexation of Crimea from Ukraine in 2014 is still a point of pride for many Russians, in 2016 70 percent of Russians said they no longer follow news from Ukraine with any particular interest or at all.
    Big Russia Quashes Hopes of Little Russia in Ukraine

    Little Russia: Ukraine separatists proclaim new state | News | DW | 18.07.2017
    TASS: Russian Politics & Diplomacy - Malorossiya project is personal initiative of self-proclaimed republic's leader - Kremlin

    Alexander Zakharchenko, the head of the Donetsk People's republic, declares the new Malorossiya

    My opinion?

    The man is simply bored, as all hell.

    He is not like the Lugansk guy, Igor Plotnitsky

    That one has always been a businessman and politician (with organized crime connections, but that's not really unusual over there)

    Zakharchenko, on the other hand, is a fighter. He grew up poor, worked as a coal miner, a traditional profession among Donbass men.

    He formed and led the Oplot, one of the original and biggest pro-Russian militias there, when the war broke out.

    Oplot took over the regional government building in Donetsk early on, for their HQ

    That's part of the reason Moscow finally decided to make Zakharchenko the overall leader of the DNR (and also they needed a local man, especially a fella straight from the mines, better for the optics)

    Unlike Plotnitsky, Zakharchenko (I respect him for this) has actually fought, he led his men into battle himself.

    In early 2015, he was at Donetsk Airport, showed off a bullet riddled Ukrainian flag they took from the dead troops of Kiev after finally storming the place

    Told Poroshenko on camera to come to Donetsk and take the flag, if he wanted it back...

    And at the ferocious battle for Debaltsevo, he was right up there, on the front lines

    He was wounded there, in Debaltsevo, shot in his leg by an enemy sniper; here is Plotnitsky visiting him in the hospital in Russia

    "Yeah, I was at the front with my boys. Feel guilty, yet, you fucking fat pussy?"

    That's the sort of guy he is. He wants to fight.

    It's why he hates wearing suits, for example, always walks around in combat fatigues; like, here, couple days ago, visiting a textile factory in Donetsk

    That's why he is starting all this... He is bored stiff doing peaceful, civilian governance work. He wants more war...

  2. #2
    New Member
    Dec 2014

    Likely this wont change much, just publicity stunt.

  3. #3
    Dec 2013

    Something ein between North Cyprus no other country has recognized but Turkey and North Korea which still vlains to be the only legitimate Korena nation, South KOrea being kind of an American colony ?

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