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    Quote Originally Posted by Ęthelfrith View Post
    But its more than that isn't it? Its also about Democrats hiding from how their ineptness enabled Trump's victory.
    That is the trump/republican party line.

    In most countries that hold elections, hillarys majority of almost 3 million votes would have given her the win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    That is the trump/republican party line.

    In most countries that hold elections, hillarys majority of almost 3 million votes would have given her the win.
    She's like Blair. Its not the votes secured, its the votes lost (and the long term damage created if 'business as usual' is maintained)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ęthelfrith View Post
    She's like Blair. Its not the votes secured, its the votes lost (and the long term damage created if 'business as usual' is maintained)
    Sorry,that does not make sense. I know which party is good for the economy,both short and long term in my country.

    I know Republicans have gerrymandered,lied,cheated to gain control,including getting help from Russia. That is now being exposed here. We have never had a President as corrupt and ignorant of basic laws as this one. And I remember Nixon. He actually wanted health care for all.

    Now, you have Theresa May. We are both in the same boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    Sorry,that does not make sense. I know which party is good for the economy,both short and long term in my country.

    I know Republicans have gerrymandered,lied,cheated to gain control,including getting help from Russia. That is now being exposed here. We have never had a President as corrupt and ignorant of basic laws as this one. And I remember Nixon. He actually wanted health care for all.

    Now, you have Theresa May. We are both in the same boat.
    Clinton was in the pocket of the corporate elite. If you're prepared to vote for her then you deserve what you get!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KnotaFrayed View Post
    Gee, aren't neo republicans and Libertarians the one's always whining about how leftist and radically socialist Democrats are? You and others seem a bit confused. When it is "convenient" to call Dems "in bed" with corporate capitalists, you're all over it, when it is "convenient" call democrats radical leftist socialists (equivalent of communists) that applies too. Apparently you and some others seem to think no one notices how you do that.

    It's the same with claiming the U.S. is the highest taxed nation in the world, UNTIL someone mentions how happy people in Scandinavian nations are. THEN you'll hear from the neo republican/Libertarian contingent about how highly taxed THEY (Scandinavians countries) are.

    How long are Americans that do not pay attention to the contradictions of their so called "leaders" or those hired to be propagandists in this country or from other countries, keep ignoring those contradictions and hold those making them, accountable, INSTEAD of those the propagandists are trying to claim hold two completely opposing characteristics simultaneously?
    Honestly, I prefer an encounter with a babbling, profound idiot over an interaction with a hypocritical faux intellectual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ęthelfrith View Post
    She's like Blair. Its not the votes secured, its the votes lost (and the long term damage created if 'business as usual' is maintained)
    To an extent I agree with you, that's why Bernie was the candidate I supported. IMHO, both party's leadership misread the mood of the country. The difference is that the republican establishment lost control of their party's pick, and the democrat establishment held on. but neither party's leadership has earned credit.

    That being said, this is about russian money in trumps campaign - strictly against the law.

    The Supreme Court gave corporations, and PACs the right to buy the candidate of their choice. In my opinion, its wrong, but its legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ęthelfrith View Post
    Clinton was in the pocket of the corporate elite. If you're prepared to vote for her then you deserve what you get!
    The system that put trump in office even though he got fewer votes, left little choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    To an extent I agree with you, that's why Bernie was the candidate I supported. IMHO, both party's leadership misread the mood of the country. The difference is that the republican establishment lost control of their party's pick, and the democrat establishment held on. but neither party's leadership has earned credit.

    That being said, this is about russian money in trumps campaign - strictly against the law.

    The Supreme Court gave corporations, and PACs the right to buy the candidate of their choice. In my opinion, its wrong, but its legal.
    The position on Trump is pretty straightforward: 'let's get rid of the oaf so we can go back to business as usual'. Russia is the convenient stick. If it does all unravel, progressive politics will be the one that ironically suffers

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    The system that put trump in office even though he got fewer votes, left little choice.
    Heard the same here. We refused to accept it. We took the party and transformed it. Part of that included not voting for the 'least horrid' from the right wing consensus (where, such voting, would just empower the status quo merchants)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ęthelfrith View Post
    The position on Trump is pretty straightforward: 'let's get rid of the oaf so we can go back to business as usual'. Russia is the convenient stick. If it does all unravel, progressive politics will be the one that ironically suffers
    So then you think we should ignore a violation of our law concerning foreign money in american politics.
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