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    Banning Halloween in Russian schools

    Vitaly Milonov, the crazy Russian politician and priest of the Orthodox Church, who authored that country's current anti-gay laws

    is now asking the Ministry of Education to ban celebrations of the evil Western holiday of Halloween in all Russian schools, because it "corrupts the minds" of vulnerable children: https://www.m24.ru/news/%D0%BE%D0%B1...19102017/14224

    Given that the Education Minister, Olga Vasilieva, is a devout Orthodox believer and a woman very close to the Church herself (some say it was the Church who deliberately installed her to this important position, she was their candidate; and now does their bidding, such as instituting new religious classes taught by priests)


    I do understandably fear she might just give in on this...

    As things stand, Halloween has been banned in schools in the capital, Moscow, since 2007: Moscow schools say no to death cult | Metro News

    In 2012, under pressure of ultraconservative local Cossacks, it was banned in schools in the Southern region of Krasnodar: Halloween Banned in South Russia Schools

    In 2013, it was banned in the Siberian region of Omsk: Russia: Siberian region of Omsk bans Halloween celebrations in schools

    And in 2015, it was banned in the Northern Arkhangelsk region, and in Crimea:
    Russian region bans Halloween because the holiday is 'harmful to children' - Telegraph
    Crimea leader bans schools from celebrating Halloween as it 'undermines Russian values' - Telegraph

    And most of the Muslim republics in Northern Caucasus, Chechnya, Dagestan, et al, never celebrated it anyway, nor do they intend to.

    In many other regions, though, they still do.

    In many schools there, it is part of English classes, to expose the kids to the culture from which the language they are studying comes from


    But, hey? Who the hell wants children to know about the world outside their borders? If it ain't Russian, it sucks anyway, right?

    Just teach them the (Orthodox, of course) Bible

    and Military Prep

    That'll make them competitive in the modern world...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    As things stand, Halloween has been banned in schools in the capital, Moscow, since 2007: Moscow schools say no to death cult | Metro News
    You know, this made me laugh out loud for about two minutes. I've experienced the traditional suburban American Halloween with non-Americans, and they have always found it a most charming custom. Children dressed in funny and scary costumes come to your door, repeat a traditional phrase, take candy from you, and then run away to the next house. Charming.

    Death cult, indeed.
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    Ya need to let the kids have some fun, seriously.
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    I kind of agree to a point. It was never a celebration in Australia-it just wasn't done, but because the Americans do it we have started doing it. I just wonder why the fascination with American culture? Is it the influence of TV and the media? Can't we have our own cultural identity anymore? Why do we have to ape American culture all the time? It's just not us.

    The reality is that the supermarket chains foisted it upon us in order to sell more rubbish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    I kind of agree to a point. It was never a celebration in Australia-it just wasn't done, but because the Americans do it we have started doing it. I just wonder why the fascination with American culture? Is it the influence of TV and the media? Can't we have our own cultural identity anymore? Why do we have to ape American culture all the time? It's just not us.

    The reality is that the supermarket chains foisted it upon us in order to sell more rubbish.
    Has Australia ever had its own cultural identity.

    Their history is a unique one that doesn't really seem to have allowed for much variation.

    In fact, the only unique cultural identity I can remember from them are those horrible things that happened in the past that they have since stopped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Has Australia ever had its own cultural identity.
    Yes.

    Their history is a unique one that doesn't really seem to have allowed for much variation.
    It's a hybrid of many cultures, but it was distinctly Australian. Now we are handing it over to Hollywood.

    In fact, the only unique cultural identity I can remember from them are those horrible things that happened in the past that they have since stopped.
    No, that's history, not culture. Look up the literature of Banjo Paterson, Henry Lawson, C. J. Dennis, and even modern authors like Colleen McCullough, Robert Drewe and Bryce Courtenay. Look for artists such as Pro Hart, Arthur Streeton and Margaret Ollie. Watch films like Picnic at Hanging Rock (No, it isn't the propaganda as Rob Larrikin claims), Gallipoli and Dimboola. There are cultural icons like R. M. Williams and the Stockman's Hall of Fame. We have the Anzac tradition and the spirit of pioneering the Outback. I could discuss the cultural identity all day.

    It is disappearing owing to multiculturalism, and the available entertainment being primarily American and US fashion. Why are young indigenous kids aping the gang culture of the US? It has nothing to do with their culture, and their's is being lost in the overwhelming tide of US popular culture.

    Even Rob's appropriated handle (larrikin) is a part of Aussie culture, and it tells us how he will behave. He's a shit stirrer and that's what it means. His own handle acknowledges it, so you are not to take him seriously as a larrikin will 'lead you on with bullshit'.

    Idiom, people, fashion, art, clothing and belief systems all make up a culture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    I kind of agree to a point. It was never a celebration in Australia-it just wasn't done, but because the Americans do it we have started doing it. I just wonder why the fascination with American culture? Is it the influence of TV and the media? Can't we have our own cultural identity anymore? Why do we have to ape American culture all the time? It's just not us.

    The reality is that the supermarket chains foisted it upon us in order to sell more rubbish.
    For some reason, people find American culture attractive. I don't see why people shouldn't borrow cool stuff from other cultures. Americans do it all the time. Wouldn't want people to adopt dumb stuff from other cultures, though. The Running of the Bulls on July 7 is probably best confined to Pamplona. I could probably skip bathing in the polluted Ganges too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    For some reason, people find American culture attractive. I don't see why people shouldn't borrow cool stuff from other cultures. Americans do it all the time. Wouldn't want people to adopt dumb stuff from other cultures, though. The Running of the Bulls on July 7 is probably best confined to Pamplona. I could probably skip bathing in the polluted Ganges too.

    Oh I agree with you, but I do think we are becoming too American. Don't get me wrong as I love the US and it's not necessarily a bad thing, but the loss of our own in the takeover is somewhat sad. In two generations the old identity will be wiped away and the Australia of my forebears will be gone, and that makes me pine a little for it.

    Maybe I'm getting old... ....but lately I'm feeling like a stranger in a strange land.
    Last edited by Blues63; 19th October 2017 at 12:38 AM.
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    American culture has plenty of positive values and things for others to emulate

    Nothing wrong with that IMHO

    Of course other countries should also preserve their own unique ways too
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