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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
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    So see, it's all HUUUUGLY, biggly the best.

    Other than most see it as a power grab, akin to what President Xi just did in China.

    45 is just jealous and wishes he could do the same.
    Oh he's trying...really hard.

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    MBS is emboldened by strong support from President Trump and his inner circle, who see him as a kindred disrupter of the status quo — at once a wealthy tycoon and a populist insurgent. It was probably no accident that last month, Jared Kushner, Trump’s senior adviser and son-in-law, made a personal visit to Riyadh. The two princes are said to have stayed up until nearly 4 a.m. several nights, swapping stories and planning strategy.

    MBS would probably be flattered to be described as a Saudi Trump. But Xi and his anti-corruption power play may be the real role model.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.ef071c626a8a

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    The arab blood war continues. They have ALL been spoiling for this for decades.

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    In recent months, the White House has managed to alienate most U.S. allies. The key exception has been President Donald Trump's apparently excellent personal relationship with Saudi leaders, following up his successful trip with strong praise for Mohammed bin Salman, the country's young crown prince and putative reformer. Yet in his unstinting support for the prince, Trump is also playing with fire. Mohammed bin Salman is indeed seeking to reform the Saudi system, but he is also shaking up Saudi social and political institutions, and interfering in the affairs of his neighbors. His rash actions could have potentially destabilizing consequences for both the country itself, and for the broader Middle East.


    The Saudi blockade of Yemen has compounded humanitarian suffering inside the country, and has done little to improve Saudi security. A case in point is the Houthi-launched missile which came dangerously close to the capital Riyadh just this past weekend. Alongside these western-friendly reforms, however, bin Salman has shown an inclination towards dictatorial control, and a series of rash attempts to interfere in neighboring states. The ongoing Gulf Cooperation Council crisis – where Saudi Arabia and a small group of states are blockading Qatar – is perhaps the clearest example.

    Since that time, bin Salman has moved aggressively to consolidate power, including this weekend's spate of royal arrests. Though technically part of an anti-corruption drive, the arrests included several senior royals with the potential to challenge the crown prince. By cracking down on potential rival power centers within the royal family and elsewhere the young prince is attempting to shift Saudi politics from a traditional, consensus-driven model to a personalistic dictatorship, one in which he wields primary decision-making power.

    Unfortunately, the White House has largely embraced bin Salman's policy choices. The Gulf Cooperation Council crisis erupted shortly after Trump's successful visit to the kingdom, and met with little condemnation from the president. Meanwhile, last week's visit by the president's son-in-law Jared Kushner apparently did little to dissuade bin Salman from following through with Saturday's arrests.

    https://www.usnews.com/opinion/world...as-power-grabs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Think for myself View Post
    It appears power has been consolidated under the pretext of modernization and ability to make a decision without the massive and slow moving consensus of the House of Saud.

    Good or bad?

    Well, our president certainly praised this most undemocratic of moves, as it settled a personal beef he had with one of the many princes.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-p...eed-long-feud/


    The kingdom certainly appears to be trying to modernize in the face of the finite energy of oil and changing views on the more conservative local cult sects, but I am not sure that consolidation of power is a good thing. That is how dictators are born.
    The Shah if Iran did the same. That didn't turn out well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    Stock exchanges all over the world are kissing SA ass for Aramco's upcoming IPO and USA seems to be the front runner..


    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/b...di-aramco.html

    LONDON — Stock markets around the world have been fighting hard for the chance to handle the stock market listing of Aramco, the giant oil company owned by the Saudi Arabian government.

    But the New York Stock Exchange gained an unusual public backer: President Trump. In a speech on Sunday, Mr. Trump urged Saudi Arabia to pick the Big Board as the international venue for the initial public offering of Aramco.

    Other politicians have argued in favor of their homegrown stock exchanges, including Prime Minister Theresa May of Britain and Prime Minister Shinzo Abe of Japan, though they have done so privately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    The Shah if Iran did the same. That didn't turn out well.
    Oddly deposing a democratic regime to do so, with American sponsorship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    There probably will be a greater conflict there. Saudis + Sunni extremists vs. Iran + Shia extremists will settle things violently, it will happen, at some point, soon enough. Not sure if other powers will be involved, like Turkey, Russia, maybe even US + NATO.
    If the SA king and his prince are smart then they should avoid war. A bigger Middle East war will just hurt the arab oil market, especially now that automakers are starting to phase out gasoline cars..

    Buying the Aramco IPO would be like 'buying Blockbuster in the age of Netflix'
    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/25/why-...ommentary.html

    General Motors, Volvo and Mercedes have all announced plans to phase out gasoline powered cars. The alternative energy market is growing rapidly as natural gas, wind and solar replace oil. In the U.S. alone, renewable energy sources accounted for 10 percent of total energy consumption and 15 percent of electricity generation, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...-salman-215792
    This has the potential to destabilize the region. Already reports that bin Salman wants escalate the war in Yemen. And is moving dangerously close to outright military confrontation with Iran.

    The last thing the US needs is to be dragged into a another war in the Middle East.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    War with Iran?
    If SA and Iran are smart then they'll do their war via economic means rather than direct military confrontation.
    Last edited by Tedminator; 7th November 2017 at 04:00 PM.

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