Page 3 of 6 FirstFirst 12345 ... LastLast
Results 21 to 30 of 51
Thanks Tree41Thanks

Thread: More Israeli aggression

  1. #21
    Spock of Vulcan Ian Jeffrey's Avatar
    Joined
    Mar 2013
    Posts
    58,404
    Thanks
    28564

    From
    Vulcan
    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    We will have to agree to disagree on that.
    Do you suggest, then, that it was somehow inappropriate to counter-attack after 9/11?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    And it did not accomplish what we wanted to.
    Our response to al-Qaeda did accomplish what we wanted. Setting up essentially permanent bases in Afghanistan did not.

  2. #22
    Spock of Vulcan Ian Jeffrey's Avatar
    Joined
    Mar 2013
    Posts
    58,404
    Thanks
    28564

    From
    Vulcan
    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    Disagree with this too. And we were really there to defend a pipeline that never came to anything, and likely never will.
    Sounds like you are talking more about Iraq than Afghanistan, which were two entirely separate conflicts (notwithstanding attempts to link Iraq to the "War on Terror").

  3. #23
    The Un-Holy One The Man's Avatar
    Joined
    Jul 2011
    Posts
    36,706
    Thanks
    21555

    From
    Toronto
    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Iran uses Hezbollah as its proxy. Hezbollah attacks Israel.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah

    Even the Arab League holds Hezbollah to be a terrorist organization.

    Israel was not attacking Syria, but Hezbollah, which operates through Syrians space.


    True, but not relevant.


    If another country, or someone in it, poses a national security threat, and the country's government is either responsible or does nothing to stop it, then such an attack is absolutely justified. Hezbollah poses a national security threat to Israel wherever it happens to be. Just like al-Qaeda posed a national security threat to the United States, justifying an invasion of Afghanistan, where al-Qaeda was given refuge by the Taliban government. Under what circumstances do you presume a country must allow itself to be attacked?
    Hezbollah only poses a threat to Israel, as long as Israel keeps threatening Lebanon.

    And, FYI, far from everyone considers Hezbollah "terrorists". Russia, for one, does not: Russia says Hezbollah not a terrorist group

    And, no wonder...

    Some Russian SOF units in Syria have worked and fought so closely together with Hezbollah (against who? Sunni extremists, supported by Israel, among others, btw) that their troops have been caught wearing gifted Hezb patches



    By attacking Hezbollah in Syria, Israel is giving direct support to terrorists, to ISIS and HTS/Nusra/al Qaeda, among others. Just a fact.

    And Netanyahu referring to Hezbollah as terrorists is no different, to me, than Erdogan spouting similar bs about the various Kurdish groups
    Last edited by The Man; 9th January 2018 at 10:22 AM.

  4. #24
    ~Standing My Ground~ Sassy's Avatar
    Joined
    Jun 2011
    Posts
    44,497
    Thanks
    17546

    From
    God Bless Texas
    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Sounds like you are talking more about Iraq than Afghanistan, which were two entirely separate conflicts (notwithstanding attempts to link Iraq to the "War on Terror").
    I definitely am not. https://www.newsmax.com/hansbaumann/.../12/id/763460/

  5. #25
    ~Standing My Ground~ Sassy's Avatar
    Joined
    Jun 2011
    Posts
    44,497
    Thanks
    17546

    From
    God Bless Texas
    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Do you suggest, then, that it was somehow inappropriate to counter-attack after 9/11?
    In this case, yes, as we were not counter-attacking the people who attacked us.

    Our response to al-Qaeda did accomplish what we wanted.
    which was?

  6. #26
    ~Standing My Ground~ Sassy's Avatar
    Joined
    Jun 2011
    Posts
    44,497
    Thanks
    17546

    From
    God Bless Texas
    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    In March, 1998 however, Unocal announced a delay in the pipeline project due to an ongoing civil war in Afghanistan. This tempted the Taliban — on April 30, 1999 — to conclude their own deal with Pakistan and Turkmenistan, thus excluding the U.S.

    This led the U.S. government to retaliate, placing sanctions on Afghanistan.

    In a final meeting with the Taliban, a U.S. delegation delivered an ultimatum, "[E]ither you accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we bury you under a carpet of bombs."

    The Taliban did not relent, and the bombs started falling on Oct. 7, 2001 — following the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.

    The war has now dragged on for 15 years, and no end is in sight. In the beginning the U.S. helped to "democratically elect" a U.S. citizen and former project engineer of Unocal to help stabilize the country and to make it governable. Alas, that did not happen due to massive insurgency by elements of the Taliban and al-Qaida fighting U.S. troops.



    Read Full Article Here Afghan Oil Pipeline Bad Investment for US
    Urgent: Should President Trump Order a Pre-emptive Strike on N. Korea? Vote Here Now!
    Follow us: @Newsmax on Twitter | Newsmax on Facebook
    Thanks from Ian Jeffrey

  7. #27
    Council Member Djinn's Avatar
    Joined
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    44,964
    Thanks
    29381

    From
    Pennsylvania, USA
    The Necessity for the Destruction of Israel*

    We see in Israel the vanguard of the United States in our Islamic world. It is the hated enemy that must be fought until the hated ones get what they deserve. This enemy is the greatest danger to our future generations and to the destiny of our lands, particularly as it glorifies the ideas of settlement and expansion, initiated in Palestine, and yearning outward to the extension of the Great Israel, from the Euphrates to the Nile.

    Our primary assumption in our fight against Israel states that the Zionist entity is aggressive from its inception, and built on lands wrested from their owners, at the expense of the rights of the Muslim people. Therefore our struggle will end only when this entity is obliterated. We recognize no treaty with it, no cease fire, and no peace agreements, whether separate or consolidated.

    We vigorously condemn all plans for negotiation with Israel, and regard all negotiators as enemies, for the reason that such negotiation is nothing but the recognition of the legitimacy of the Zionist occupation of Palestine. Therefore we oppose and reject the Camp David Agreements, the proposals of King Fahd, the Fez and Reagan plan, Brezhnev's and the French-Egyptian proposals, and all other programs that include the recognition (even the implied recognition) of the Zionist entity.
    Source - The Hizballah Program - The official manifesto of Hezbollah

    So, who's up for some Hezbollah/Israel negotiations? Show of hands?
    Thanks from Ian Jeffrey and Blues63

  8. #28
    Banned Camp
    Joined
    May 2007
    Posts
    15,987
    Thanks
    12647

    From
    Houston, Texas
    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Hardly. But you did not bring up a point to discuss.
    I asked you a non-threatening question and you failed to answer it.

  9. #29
    ~Standing My Ground~ Sassy's Avatar
    Joined
    Jun 2011
    Posts
    44,497
    Thanks
    17546

    From
    God Bless Texas
    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Source - The Hizballah Program - The official manifesto of Hezbollah

    So, who's up for some Hezbollah/Israel negotiations? Show of hands?
    LOL. The Man, you are off on this one, my friend.

  10. #30
    The Un-Holy One The Man's Avatar
    Joined
    Jul 2011
    Posts
    36,706
    Thanks
    21555

    From
    Toronto
    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Source - The Hizballah Program - The official manifesto of Hezbollah

    So, who's up for some Hezbollah/Israel negotiations? Show of hands?
    Since this document seems to mention Reagan, and even Brezhnev, it was clearly created a long time ago. I have to wonder just how relevant it remains today...

    Regardless, read it again. It talks about specific points of Israel's behavior they disagree with, such as settlement expansion. This is perfectly reasonable.

    In fact, it is perfectly reasonable, to me, to hate an enemy whom you see as occupying illegally your land, or that of your brothers, and to seek that enemy's destruction and demise.

    People have struggled valiantly against occupiers since ancient times.

    Who is one of the greatest heroes (and heroines) of Medieval France? Joan of Arc, she who battled English invaders



    In Russia, for example, recently came out a new movie about Yevpatiy Kolovrat, a vityaz (knight, noble warrior) who led a fierce and brutal resistance to the Mongol invasion around the city of Ryazan in 1237



    In the end, Ryazan too would fall completely, and Kolovrat's little band would also eventually be all captured and slaughtered (and not till 300 years later would Russia overthrow the Tatar and Mongol occupiers); but, after the last stand, the Mongol Khan, Batu, Genghis' grandson, who led the invasion and occupation of Russia back then, would have Kolovrat's body brought to him

    He would express respect for the man, as a warrior, and order a full honors funeral for him...

    And his legend lives on forever in Russian folklore, especially in Ryazan, to this day...


    Hell, remember the 300 Spartans, rising against the Persian invasion of ancient Greece


    You can keep trying to convince us that Hezbollah is somehow evil, because they are against Israel. But, the fact is, resisting foreign invasion and occupation is normal, it's human.

    Hell, it's how the US itself was born

    Last edited by The Man; 9th January 2018 at 11:28 AM.

Page 3 of 6 FirstFirst 12345 ... LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Russian aggression
    By The Man in forum Current Events
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 11th November 2014, 12:08 PM
  2. Aggression sped our Evolution
    By Loki in forum Science and Technology
    Replies: 100
    Last Post: 2nd July 2014, 05:41 PM
  3. An Israeli Woman protects a Palestinian Boy from an Israeli Soldier.
    By Ronin Tetsuro in forum Political Discussion
    Replies: 36
    Last Post: 6th July 2012, 07:29 PM
  4. Aggression in children, causes, solutions
    By The Man in forum Current Events
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 27th June 2012, 07:03 PM

Search tags for this page

Click on a term to search for related topics.

Tags for this Thread


Facebook Twitter RSS Feed