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    Is this guy insane?

    Russian President Vladimir Putin opened the Kerch Strait Bridge connecting Crimea, Ukraine, with mainland Russia on Tuesday. Putin did so by in a typical show of bravado by leading a column of transport vehicles across the bridge.

    Ukraine should now destroy elements of the bridge.

    While that course of action would be an escalation against Putin and one that would almost certainly spark Russian retaliation, this bridge is an outrageous affront to Ukraine's very credibility as a nation. Of course, from Putin's perspective that's the whole point. The bridge cost Russia's near-bankrupt government billions of dollars, but it offers Putin a formal physical and psychological appropriation of Ukrainian territory.

    Fortunately Ukraine has the means to launch air strikes against the bridge in a manner that would render it at least temporarily unusable. Because of its significant length, the Ukrainian air force could strike the bridge while mitigating the risk of casualties by those traversing it.

    How would Putin respond?

    Probably with escalation against Ukrainian interests in eastern Ukraine. But that escalation is very likely coming in the next few months anyway, and Putin wants to slowly absorb Ukraine rather than conquer it outright (he doesn't want to upset his soccer World Cup bonanza by inviting new diplomatic pressure). But severing the bridge, even if temporarily, would send an unmistakable signal from Kiev to Moscow that Ukrainians are unwilling to accept the comfortable formalization of Putin's territorial theft. The Ukrainians could also fly low and circular to evade Russian (admittedly high-competency) air defenses. The U.S. could and should support Ukraine here with confidence in our own military power.

    Air strikes would also serve two other objectives: drawing attention to the cronyism behind the project (Putin's favorite pet oligarch, Arkady Rotenberg, was given the construction contract) and challenging Russian nationalist narratives in language those nationalists understand. On that latter point, consider that many of the messages below the RT propaganda celebration of the bridge opening reference Putin's masculinity and the nationalist supremacy of a greater Russia. Bombing the bridge would thus be a very personal rebuke to Putin's ambitions and his propaganda narrative.

    Regardless, the exigent moral urgency of action is obvious. Any state that allows its territory to be stolen and then bound up with the thief has taken a step towards extinction.
    Ukraine should blow up Putin's Crimea bridge

    I don't know who this guy is, or this "Washington Examiner" site... But what he proposes there is crazy. Even none of the most radical nationalists in Kiev are crazy enough, in fact, to push for this.

    First, no, Ukraine does NOT, in fact, have the means to successfully hit Crimea, or anywhere in Russia. Their air force already got its ass handed to it in Donbass, they lost around 200 aircraft, HALF of everything they had, to separatist fighting and also to own neglect and poor maintenance: Ukraine Has Lost Half Its Warplanes

    They have Su-27s, that's pretty much their most modern plane, here is their President Poroshenko flying on one lol


    In Crimea, they would be up against superior Russian aircraft (and better trained pilots)

    as well as powerful anti-aircraft systems, including batteries of S-400s

    A suicide mission, in short.

    And even if any Ukrainian pilot makes it through all this, and does manage to fire off a shot and actually strike something, the "retaliation" would not just be some "escalation" in Donbass he mentions. More like a barrage of Kalibr (Russian "Tomahawk") missiles, from the Varshavyanka (improved Kilo) subs

    and Grigorovich-class frigates

    stationed at Crimea now; on Kiev and other Ukrainian cities.

    At their speed and at that range, Ukraine would have no hope of stopping these cruise missiles



    Best case scenario, they destroy a lot of Ukrainian military targets and stop there. Worser case: the separatist forces in Donbass take advantage of this and launch a big offensive, maybe take the Azov coast city of Mariupol, they wanted that a long time...

    Regardless, this is a badly losing scenario for Ukraine. They will never, ever shoot first at Russia, period. Only an ignorant American "expert" could come up with this...
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Thanks for the info. Some "journalist" and "pundit"... He wants a world war, advocating that the US get involved in this supposed Ukrainian attack on Crimea too:

    The U.S. could and should support Ukraine here with confidence in our own military power.
    Typical neo-con...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Thanks for the info. Some "journalist" and "pundit"... He wants a world war, advocating that the US get involved in this supposed Ukrainian attack on Crimea too:



    Typical neo-con...

    He loves war so much, he sounds like a Russian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    He loves war so much, he sounds like a Russian.
    Think of him as the American version of Vladimir Zhirinovsky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Think of him as the American version of Vladimir Zhirinovsky.
    Zhirinovsky is Russia's Trump, in many ways lol Only, instead of Tweeting weird shit, he simply says it out loud
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    Russia’s Investigative Committee has launched a criminal case against an American journalist who wrote an editorial calling on Ukraine to bomb Russia’s newly-opened bridge to the annexed Crimean peninsula.

    Tom Rogan urged the Ukrainian government to “launch air strikes” and “destroy elements” of the bridge to Crimea in a Washington Examiner magazine op-ed published on Tuesday. Kiev, the United States and the European Union criticized the opening of the road-and-rail bridge and called it a violation of Ukraine’s territorial integrity.

    “The investigation has detected signs of public incitement to terrorist activity in the territory of the Russian Federation,” the Investigative Committee said in an online statement on Thursday in reference to Tom Rogan’s article.

    The publication’s editor will also be subject to a “pre-investigation probe” for publishing Rogan’s commentary, an Investigative Committee spokesperson said.

    Earlier, the Russian Embassy in the U.S. said the piece was “outside the boundaries of journalist ethics,” while the Kremlin’s spokesperson called on law enforcement agencies to investigate the article, the RBC business portal reported.
    Russia Opens Terror Probe Into U.S. Journalist’s Call for Airstrikes on Crimea Bridge

    lol

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    I got played by Russian intelligence.

    Yesterday, after dealing with the Twitter explosion that followed my piece on the Kerch Strait Bridge between Crimea and Ukraine (my follow-up piece here standing by my original piece), I received an email from a Ukr.net address purporting to be from a staff assistant to Ukraine’s foreign minister, Pavlo Klimkin. The email said that the minister wanted to thank me for my piece and support for Ukraine’s sovereignty in a short phone call.

    I now believe this was arranged by Vovan and Lexus, two radio hosts who operate under Kremlin order and direction. By Kremlin standards they are journalists, by the standards of reality they are intelligence officers. On that note, I had assumed, going in, that the Russians were monitoring the call — they would target the Ukrainian foreign minister's phone lines — but not that it was actually the Russians I was speaking to.

    I agreed and we arranged a time. I received the call and began speaking with who I assumed was Klimkin. Our conversation was rather interesting, Vovan or Lexus thanked me for the piece and repeatedly emphasized that Ukrainians, including the president, enjoyed it. He asked me a series of rather odd questions, such as what I thought Ukraine should bomb next. I said artillery positions in southeastern Ukraine. He asked me if Ukraine could give me a press award. I said, yes. He asked if I could state my support on Twitter for Ukraine’s arrest of a Russian journalist in Kiev who has been engaged in agent provocateur actions. I did not.

    I asked for an editorial board interview with the fake Klimkin on his next visit to Washington, Vovan or Lexus said yes.

    We talked a little bit about the threat facing Ukraine’s sovereignty in the context of aggressive Russian operations on its soil. I stated that when it comes to countering Russian intelligence operations you have to stick them in the belly. I stand by that belief.

    Anyway, while I’m sure you’ll be able to listen to the conversation in the next couple of days, I think the key takeaway here is to be wary of the Russian intelligence machine. It is both hyperaggressive and, on occasion, highly creative.
    I got played by Russian intelligence

    lol

    Vovan & Lexus (real names - Vladimir Krasnov and Alxey Stolyarov)


    They have their own show on NTV, one of the biggest channels in Russia

    where they prank call celebrities, like ex-Bolshoi ballerina Anastasia Volochkova, who is now more known for her breasts and revealing photos online lol


    But they also do lots of prominent political figures too, in Russia and abroad:
    Elton John duped into speaking to two Russian pranksters - not Vladimir Putin - about gay rights | National Post
    Russian pranksters bust on U.S. Congresswoman in frantic phone call
    Russian pranksters turn their sights on provincial governors
    DOE acknowledges Energy Secretary Rick Perry was targeted by 'Russian pranksters' - CNNPolitics
    Georgia: Prank Call Leaves Minister in Hot Water, Confirms No One Wants Saakashvili | EurasiaNet.org
    Ousted Catalan leader is Russian spy, pranksters tell Spain defence chief
    New Low Of Ignorance: Nikki Haley Tricked By Russian Pranksters Into Defending Fake Country[/QUOTE]
    That's just in recent months lol

    They even wrote a book, published late last year, about all their exploits


    They are nationalists, certainly, here with t-shirts supporting the pro-Russian separatists in Donbass


    They are very, very famous in Russia.

    How they do all this shit, I have no idea. Would have thought all these prominent people they target have decent caller ID lol But, maybe they have equipment to trick it, somehow... Perhaps that's where their backers in Russian intel services come in?

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