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    Iraq is a Democracy, Syria gov't is secular, Saudi Arabia is an ally but Russia is an enemy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    Iraq is a Democracy, Syria gov't is secular, Saudi Arabia is an ally but Russia is an enemy?
    The US media, and probably lots of people in your government, base their views on Russia on propaganda from Russia's historic enemies, like Poland, who are now part of NATO.

    Look at how that history is presented in the West, as if Poland was always some victim of Russia, when, for centuries, the Polish attacked Russia FIRST.

    In the early 1600s, the Polish Hussari knights even occupied Moscow and installed their own Tsar

    until, in 1612, two great men, knyaz (aristocratic warrior prince) Dmitry Pozharsky, right, and peasant Kuzma Minmin, left, led a united army of both peasants and nobility, which smashed and expelled the Polyaks and executed their fake Tsar


    Those two remain among the most important historical figures in Russia, every November 4th, Putin and Patriarch Kirill, head of the Orthodox Church, lay flowers to their monument on Red Square, to commemorate their tremendous victory

    along with other religious and political leaders.

    And in recent years, the 19th century monument has been copied for other cities too, like Nizhny Novgorod


    The Polyaks goal was simple: eradicate the Orthodox Christianity in Russia. Make them all Catholics or kill them. They were Crusaders. Minin & Pozharsky, in turn, rose up, together, for their people and their faith.

    You don't hear THAT taught about in schools here, in the West, when it comes to East European history.

    Or about Ivan Susanin, another famous, in Russia, hero of those 17th century Polish invasions, an old peasant, who was hired by a Polish unit to guide them through a dark, cold forest, and instead deliberately led them to their deaths in the frozen deaths of those woods; they killed him, as this painting shows, when realized his duplicity

    But it was too late, they would then all perish themselves, from cold and hunger. Not to mentioned the vicious wolves and bears out there

    But, all you hear here is, as if Poland was always struggling to defend itself from Russian aggression. No, for a long time, it was the other way around. The so-called Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in those days was one of the biggest aggressors around...

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    It's always easier to start a war than end one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    It's always easier to start a war than end one.
    Point is, the West always listens to only one side, over there.

    Same with Georgia. You have no idea how it infuriates people in my homeland, Abkhazia, to see Americans, like Mike Pompeo recently, refer to it as a "breakaway Georgian region" or whatever. Abkhazia is the land of the Abkhaz people, whom Georgian Dzhugashvili-Stalin and his Georgian NKVD secret police chief Lavrenti Beria suppressed, brutally, in those days, and settled Georgians on their territory, which is why they were majority by the time the Soviet Union fell apart in 1991. The forceful ejection of Georgian civilians from Abkhazia after the war of 1992, and more after 1998, wasn't "ethnic cleansing", but, indeed, rightful expulsion of invaders. Albeit, IMHO, it should not have been done in such a brutal manner as it was... I still have nightmares, having observed it all with own eyes, as a kid...

    Anyway, what I am trying to say is, I see lots of Westerners, here on PH and elsewhere, comment on issues in that whole part of the world, while they know very little about it, and often just rely on one side's propaganda, at best. It does piss me off, sometimes...

    But then, that's how plenty of folks from the Middle East feel too lol Or Africa. Or etc... haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
    To be sure, I don't blame the Russians for Putin's transgressions though I may be an outlier.
    No, you are not.i do not blame Israel for Netanyahu. Just the ones who elected hm. That gesfor Trump,oo. You
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post

    And yes, the fishing too, as you say, all sorts of great and weird things you can catch there
    That looks a lot like something you'd catch near the Springfield Nuclear Power Plant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helena View Post
    That looks a lot like something you'd catch near the Springfield Nuclear Power Plant.
    lol I think it's a red carp. But, not sure haha

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    ZURICH (Reuters) - Austria’s vice chancellor and leader of the country’s far-right Freedom Party called for ending the European Union’s sanctions against Russia, days before he meets Russian President Vladimir Putin during a trip to Vienna.

    Heinz-Christian Strache, whose pro-Moscow party is junior partner to Chancellor Sebastian Kurz’s conservatives, has said in the past he did not favor EU sanctions against Moscow over its backing of rebels in Ukraine.

    In an interview with the newspaper Oesterreich printed on Sunday, he sharpened his tone.

    “It is high time to put an end to these exasperating sanctions and normalize political and economic relations with Russia,” he was quoted as saying.
    Much more: Austrian far-right leader wants EU's Russian sanctions ended

    I does fascinate me, how things have changed. The old Soviet Union drew support abroad from leftist movements and parties, Communists, Marxists, etc. Today's Russia engages mainly with right-wing and even far right groups...
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    Giuseppe Conte (Alessandro Bianchi / Reuters)

    Italy’s new prime minister has called for an end to anti-Russian sanctions in his first address to parliament after forming a coalition government, joining a growing number of European figures seeking closer ties with Moscow.

    Giuseppe Conte was nominated last month by the anti-establishment 5-Star Movement and far-right League parties to lead their coalition government. The Kremlin has long been accused of boosting nationalist right-wing forces in France, Germany, Italy and the Netherlands.

    “We will support opening up to Russia [...] We will push for a review of the sanctions system, starting with those that risk humiliating Russian civil society,” Italy’s new Prime Minister Conte told parliament on Tuesday as he sought a vote of confidence.

    His comments came less than a week after Jean-Claude Juncker, the head of the EU’s executive body, the European Commission, urged an end to “Russia-bashing.”

    Meanwhile in Germany, a mid-May poll by the ZDF broadcaster said that, at 36 percent against 14 percent, more Germans saw Russia as a reliable partner than the United States.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin said during a visit to Austria on Tuesday that “everyone has an interest” in lifting sanctions because they harm both Russian and Western economies.

    Austrian right-wing Chancellor Sebastian Kurz vowed not to break ranks with the rest of the EU on economic measures directed at Russia, but noted that “we hope that there is progress in eastern Ukraine to [...] lift the sanctions step by step.”
    Italy’s New Leader Calls for End to Anti-Russia Sanctions

    Wow, more Germans like Russia than America lol Good job, Trump, #MAGA and all that

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