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    "Russia-bashing must stop"



    Jean-Claude Juncker has called for an end to “Russia-bashing” two months after in response to the use of a nerve agent in the UK.

    The president of the European commission said he believed it was time to renew ties with Vladimir Putin’s country, given its size and importance.

    “I do think we have to reconnect with Russia,” Juncker told an audience in Brussels. “I am not very happy with the state of our relations. We will never accept what Russia did with Crimea or eastern Ukraine. But nevertheless, we have to have in mind that the entire territory of the European Union is about 5.5m sq km. Russia [is] 70.5m [sq km].

    “So we have to come back to, I wouldn’t say normal relations with Russia, but there are so many areas, so many domains, where we can cooperate in a better way with research and innovation and others. Not forgetting what our differences and divergences are. But this Russia-bashing has to be brought to an end.”

    The comments, made during a thinktank event on EU reform, will raise eyebrows in the UK. Theresa May, the prime minister, campaigned for a strong response to the attempted murder of the former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter, Yulia, in Salisbury in March.

    Last week the Dutch prime minister, Mark Rutte, said he was determined to hold the Kremlin to account after the Netherlands and Australia formally accused Russia of playing a role in the downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 over eastern Ukraine in 2014.

    Juncker’s intervention will also dismay some in Washington. The US administration has been lobbying the EU to apply tougher sanctions on Russia over Kremlin attempts to meddle in western democracies.

    Countermeasures applied by the EU against Russia after the 2014 illegal annexation of Crimea were resisted by some member states, and have failed to keep up with those of the US. In Italy, the Five Star Movement and the League, the leading populist parties, want to lift the EU’s sanctions on Russia.
    Russia-bashing must stop, says Jean-Claude Juncker

    Europeans are growing tired of the sanction wars...
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    I think on the grand scale of things, if we take out all our bad feelings and politics its a shame. Russia has so many natural resources and things to offer that they could really make a difference in the world. Colleague of mine is going through cancer treatment and her doctor is from the University of Moscow. He is supposed to be one of the best in the business. People keep saying to her "you trust him?" lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I think on the grand scale of things, if we take out all our bad feelings and politics its a shame. Russia has so many natural resources and things to offer that they could really make a difference in the world. Colleague of mine is going through cancer treatment and her doctor is from the University of Moscow. He is supposed to be one of the best in the business. People keep saying to her "you trust him?" lol
    Russians could live much better lives, with all the resources you mentioned, if they ever get a decent government that can actually manage it all well and in the people's interest, rather than just steal and profiteer off it all...
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    Which brings up the question of why we are still in NATO? How much does that cost?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post




    Russia-bashing must stop, says Jean-Claude Juncker

    Europeans are growing tired of the sanction wars...
    Whatever happens, I think the Putin bashing must and will continue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    Which brings up the question of why we are still in NATO? How much does that cost?
    Why not? Nothing wrong with collective self-defense.

    Hell, I said it before, in a perfect world, in my perfect world, Russia and ALL the other ex-Soviet republics, and NOT just the Balts, would have joined NATO as well, in 1991. That would be a truly global defense network, it could be renamed Northern Alliance Treaty Organization, still same initials Japan and South Korea could join too (or, a united Korea, at some point, this IS a perfect world, after all lol)

    Such an alliance could fight jihadism, contain China, etc.

    But, alas, I now doubt that'll ever happen...

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    Whatever happens, I think the Putin bashing must and will continue.
    Putin, sure.

    But, I've seen too many racist American and other Western trolls bashing all Russians, as a people, Russian culture, Russian women, Russian athletes, all sorts of things. Which not only invites a similar response from Russian nationalist trolls, but also helps fuel anti-Western sentiments over there, btw...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Putin, sure.

    But, I've seen too many racist American and other Western trolls bashing all Russians, as a people, Russian culture, Russian women, Russian athletes, all sorts of things. Which not only invites a similar response from Russian nationalist trolls, but also helps fuel anti-Western sentiments over there, btw...
    To be sure, I don't blame the Russians for Putin's transgressions though I may be an outlier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
    To be sure, I don't blame the Russians for Putin's transgressions though I may be an outlier.
    It is also stupid how it is fashionable, these days, to blame all the crimes of Soviet Commies on Russians. When, for example, Felix Dzerzhinsky, the founder of the Cheka, the first Soviet secret police, Lenin's KGB, was fucking Polish. In fact, there were a LOT of Polish Communists back then, helping the Revolution. And others. Half the leading Bolshevik politicians were ethnic Jews. Lest we forget, the elite troops of the Bolshevik's Red Guard, the predecessor to the Red army - the Latvian Sharpshooters.

    All the ethnic groups and nationalities of that part of the world helped the Bolshies rise to power. ALL of them helped build the USSR into the monstrosity it became, all worked together towards that goal. Stalin-Jugashvili was a Georgian. So was the NKVD chief Lavrenti Beria. One of the most powerful commanders in Stalin's Red Army, the man who oversaw the Red Square Victory Parade in 1945, Marshal Konstantin Rokosovsky - also a Pole.

    There were no innocents back then. Yes, Russian was the main language used, because it had the most speakers. If the Ukrainians or the Polyaks happened to be the majority, it would be THEIR language adopted everywhere instead

    Soviet Russia didn't even have it's own Communist Party branch, unlike all the other republics. Russians also earned less and generally had lower standards of living, than Georgians, Ukrainians, or even Moldovans!

    And yet, today, they are blamed for all the crap back then.

    That's why they turned all nationalist... It is, in many ways, a backlash, for all this crap. They wanted, in the 90s, to be part of the West. But the West pushed them away...
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    Russia has a bad image and gets a bad rap because of the media.

    I wouldn't even p i double s on Juncker if he was on fire. All these sanctions against Russia should be scrapped, the war is against the Muslims in the Middle East.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartibartfast View Post
    Russia has a bad image and gets a bad rap because of the media.

    I wouldn't even p i double s on Juncker if he was on fire. All these sanctions against Russia should be scrapped, the war is against the Muslims in the Middle East.
    No, they get a bad rap because of Putin and his goons(oligarchs). It’s how it works.
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