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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    I am baffled as to what you mean by the bolded remark. Would you care to elaborate on that thought?
    The modern viewpoint sees Christianity as superstition in the sense that pagans are regarded as superstitious, though I don't think modern viewpoints would call it a perversion of the Jewish faith, unless perhaps they were viewing it from a Jewish viewpoint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    The modern viewpoint sees Christianity as superstition in the sense that pagans are regarded as superstitious, though I don't think modern viewpoints would call it a perversion of the Jewish faith, unless perhaps they were viewing it from a Jewish viewpoint.

    All religions are superstitions. Christianity is a direct descendant of Judaism, just as Mormonism is a direct descendant of Christianity. Jesus himself never practiced Christianity. He was a Jew from the day he was born until the day he died, and so were his disciples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    All religions are superstitions. Christianity is a direct descendant of Judaism, just as Mormonism is a direct descendant of Christianity. Jesus himself never practiced Christianity. He was a Jew from the day he was born until the day he died, and so were his disciples.
    Well there you go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    Well there you go.
    Yogi Berra: If you don't know where you're going, you might not get there.

    I'm so fond of that quote, it is in my signature.
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    What are they worried about these pagans doing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Jesus himself never practiced Christianity.
    Of course, he would have trouble doing so, since he would have to have followed himself.

    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    He was a Jew from the day he was born until the day he died, and so were his disciples.
    Of course, this does not mean they practiced Judaism, and they seem to have disdained it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    What are they worried about these pagans doing?
    Presumably they are afraid of losing adherents - and, of course, the financial contributions that goes along with them.

    @The Man?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Presumably they are afraid of losing adherents - and, of course, the financial contributions that goes along with them.

    @The Man?
    Most importantly, as I said, the Church does not want the official story of the Orthodox Christening of Russia to ever be questioned.

    Because, again, the reality is far sleazier and uglier than what is currently claimed to the public.

    Aforementioned "Saint" Vladimir was, in basic terms, a traitor, who sold out his whole nation to the Greeks, with its traditional customs and religion, converted to Orthodoxy

    in return for some material reward, and also a hot piece of ass, Greek Princess Anna, given to him for marriage


    Some gold and an exotic Byzantine chick. Imagine if modern Russians ever realise their ancestors were stripped of their own faith and culture for THAT! lol

    Stripped, as I said, by terror, by armed soldiers driving people to baptism with whips and spears, making them destroy their own totems and such


    There's the story of the Rostov rebellion, carefully covered up by the Church for a thousand years now.

    The ancient southern city of Rostov, now one of the sites of the World Cup, was, at that time, ruled by a knyaz (warrior prince) who sided with the local pagan priests and rose against Vladimir, with his whole army

    This prince, btw, was Vladimir's own cousin.

    Vladimir sent an army led reportedly by Dobrynia Nikitich

    a legendary warrior in medieval folklore there, who, in the legends, was said to battle whole armies by himself, and slay huge multi-headed dragons

    The guy actually existed. I doubt he ever fought dragons lol But, his real life enormous size and indeed nearly superhuman physical prowess and ferociousness in battle were unquestionable.

    Dobrynia defeated the rebel army in Rostov, and, allegedly, rode around town waving around the severed heads of the prince and the head pagan priest, to scare all the civilians there to bow to Vladimir and the new Orthodox Church...

    Obviously, this account would NOT be found in the history textbooks in Russian schools today...

    Nor would these textbooks mention the fact that anti-pagan inquisitions continued in Russia for centuries, into the 1600s, at the very least

    Under Ivan the Terrible and other early Romanovs, suspected pagans, at that point simply referred to as "heretics", were arrested, tortured, and executed.

    Plenty were burned alive, especially those suspected of being pagan priests

    among other things...

    If any of this stuff starts emerging into the popular mainstream, it would turn Russia's whole conventional history upside down. Among other things, the simple fact of the existence of pagan Slavic runes, like that symbol on the boxer Povetkin's biceps in the OP, disproves the fact, maintained by the Church, that it was Greek Orthodoxy who brought enlightenment to Russian lands, that the pagans in pre-Orthodox era were nothing but savages, who didn't even have their own written language, before Greek Orthodox monks Cyril and Mephodius created the Cyrillic alphabet system for them. In fact, there is increasing evidence that the ancestors DID have an earlier form of writing.

    There was a whole earlier civilisation before Orthodoxy


    But the Church can never admit that. It would indeed bring their whole role in society today into question... Losing adherents would be just the start of it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Of course, he would have trouble doing so, since he would have to have followed himself.


    Of course, this does not mean they practiced Judaism, and they seem to have disdained it.

    No. They definitely practiced Judaism. Of course, from the beginning of Judaism there were divisions, just as there still are to this very day.
    Jesus abhorred the version of Judaism practiced by the Pharisees, but he was hardly the only Jew with that attitude at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    No. They definitely practiced Judaism.
    Source?

    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Of course, from the beginning of Judaism there were divisions, just as there still are to this very day.
    Many of the "divisions" - historically and contemporarily - do not have any relation to the Torah, which is the source of Judaism.
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