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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    and that is quite pathetic. in the past, that was true. have we as a species learned nothing? we shall see. if a war starts now, civilization could be in serious jeopardy.
    Indeed, we need to make wars a thing of the past while we are still alive and civilized, lest we make them a thing of the past by annihilating ourselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    Especially since that Poster does not live in the US. He just wants to rant about Obama.

    I understand how Subsidies and Tariffs work. I understand why they were put on,originally.

    But why not an agreement that does away with all of them?

    We all know there were Political reasons for every one of them !I understand why. But if all Countries would agree why not?
    Is it obvious I don't like the guy! I detest slime balls.

    There are two ways to negotiation; the slow way and the quick way.

    If Trump had gone to China etc.. asking for meetings etc.. about trade, years would pass.

    Slap Tariffs on, wham, negotiations have started nearly over night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    Ok, here is another view. I listened to a long discussion about Canada stealing our auto plants.

    First they moved to Mexico, then Canada So,some of the things Trump is saying are right.

    And this discussian was with an Auto worker.

    The Schools and Colleges after years of neglect are now rushing to provide the skills that are needed now.

    Steven Brill just had an excellent discussion about what has happened to our economy the last 50 years on Brian Seler.rerun will be on at 3PM,my time. Really worth listening to. He also heavily criticized the Media.

    Thanks to all who gave answers. My original intent was to start a discussion. Not lay blame, this is a problem we need to solve.

    We also need to lay the pressure on our do nothings in Congress. If they are not willing to work and compromise they need to go. Both parties.
    I think in many of these areas like auto workers, they remember the day when all of a car was built in the US. Those were the good days and unions and the US was very strong. When some trade agreements like NAFTA were signed, many of these factories left for Mexico and Canada. So jobs were lost. Auto workers became angry, and unions lost power since all of the car no longer was made in the US. Its a difficult subject with no easy answers since now we have a global economy. I drove through parts of Michigan and western Ohio and you could see all the vacant lots and factories where parts used to be made. Its sad and I guess the people that live on the coasts dont always realize how life in the midwest has changed. Thats why we see their senators and reps voting differently on trade and tariffs than do those in other states. They lived it and understand it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by galatin View Post
    What I consider is performance, although when you have like emerging countries have a weak economy, you try at least in a first stage to protect them unteneighbors. So if you protect local producers from foreign competitors who have the same costs, you just encourage lame ducks to go on as before, without becoming creative andmaking products where they can make real money. When I heard for example that Kitchenaid pays workers USD 8/hour I ask myself is it worth to still manufacture such products when there is plenty of opportunity to do other things keeping such a margin that you can offer more than starving salaries and make good profits ? Comparisons must be with what a country can do to enhance its rofatibality and not in just looking at explanations about low wages from abroad etc.…. But for that you must invest in training people, but the US more than many other countries have a lot of resources to do a magnificent jobs. So it is a question of will……
    But it happens in Europe as well. Many German auto plants are relocating in Slovenia and Slovakia to take advantage of low labor costs. Then we saw workers marching in France and Germany over losing their jobs. Corporations want to save money and have bigger profits, so they will take advantage of trade agreements and move to places where its cheaper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    and the future doesn't look too good for workers, either. imagine the impact when AI gets cranked up and machines can replicate themselves without human intervention. you ain't seen nothin yet.
    That is the scary part. We havent seen anything yet, what kind of leader will voters want when a huge chunk of us are replaced with AI? We are woefully unprepared for that and voters are going to be super angry in another decade or so when job losses due to automation takes over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    That is the scary part. We havent seen anything yet, what kind of leader will voters want when a huge chunk of us are replaced with AI? We are woefully unprepared for that and voters are going to be super angry in another decade or so when job losses due to automation takes over.
    and, as stated earlier by @galatin, the American workforce is woefully unprepared for the type of skills which will be needed in the future as to technicians. we are today very late to begin teaching such skills to the younger generation. not everybody needs or even wants a college degree to make a good living.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    and, as stated earlier by @galatin, the American workforce is woefully unprepared for the type of skills which will be needed in the future as to technicians. we are today very late to begin teaching such skills to the younger generation. not everybody needs or even wants a college degree to make a good living.
    I saw an article about 10 years ago or so where they asked 12-14 year olds "what do you want to be when you grow up." They have done it forever. Years past the answers typically were astronaut, fireman, teacher, scientist, musician etc. The more recent one had reality star, YouTube diva, movie star, professional athlete. So I think our desires have changed and the kids see a nobody become a somebody on social media with no education necessary at all, it changes the game. Who needs education?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I think in many of these areas like auto workers, they remember the day when all of a car was built in the US. Those were the good days and unions and the US was very strong. When some trade agreements like NAFTA were signed, many of these factories left for Mexico and Canada. So jobs were lost. Auto workers became angry, and unions lost power since all of the car no longer was made in the US. Its a difficult subject with no easy answers since now we have a global economy. I drove through parts of Michigan and western Ohio and you could see all the vacant lots and factories where parts used to be made. Its sad and I guess the people that live on the coasts dont always realize how life in the midwest has changed. Thats why we see their senators and reps voting differently on trade and tariffs than do those in other states. They lived it and understand it.
    Yes, just like the economy moved from buggy whips to Autos. That happened very fast,too. I really do mt remember that.

    I am,in no way defending those who wish to live in a glorious past. I simply posted how many feel, the reason they voted for Trump. Coal mines, even Steel mils will never be the same. Auto parts are increasingly made of plastics,etc. Coal is obsolete.

    The smart person moves on,learns new skills. They are successful.

    My Son was talking yesterday about Data Processing he took in High School. If he had taken that in Vocational School for that it would have been obsolete before he finished. Instead he chose Machine Trades So he had the background for Engineering, wise choice,even today.

    I just wanted a discussion to show why so many Blue Collar Workers voted for Trump. We shall see how his latest threat works out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    and, as stated earlier by @galatin, the American workforce is woefully unprepared for the type of skills which will be needed in the future as to technicians. we are today very late to begin teaching such skills to the younger generation. not everybody needs or even wants a college degree to make a good living.
    And, I have repeadly posted the High Schools, Community Colleges and Universities are working as hard as they can to change those facts! The young are taking advantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I saw an article about 10 years ago or so where they asked 12-14 year olds "what do you want to be when you grow up." They have done it forever. Years past the answers typically were astronaut, fireman, teacher, scientist, musician etc. The more recent one had reality star, YouTube diva, movie star, professional athlete. So I think our desires have changed and the kids see a nobody become a somebody on social media with no education necessary at all, it changes the game. Who needs education?
    Do you think 12/14 year olds would choose that today?

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