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    Sparta

    U.S. Embargo

    With Japan emerging as a nation capable of garnering headlines recently, I began reflecting on the events leading up to the attack on Pearl Harbor.

    I've heard differing views on this subject and I wonder, did the U.S. have the right or resposibility to levy an oil embargo on the Japanese Imperialistic Sate?

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    Dr.Knuckles

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    In hindsight, Japan wouldn't have attacked the US without that embargo. However, since everyone knew Japan could not possibly wage war without oil - including the Japanese military and Togo hinself, noone could have predicted the state sponsored suicide pact.

    "We can't win a war without oil, so they launch a war for oil... without oil" was one general's famous lament.

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    Dr.Knuckles

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    However, a nation propping up the worlds most brutal third world dictators, with recent military invasions and CIA puppet dictators were raping all of South America, Hawaii and Phillipines, neutral in the war against facism for 3 years (more counting Spain), during which Paris fell, London burned and something was clearly up with the concentration camps... in a nation where American indians were denied rights of voting or land ownership and blacks lived as less than human and mixed marriage was illegal and lynching wasn't .... I wouldn't argue much of a moral standpoint.

    Nobody has anything to be proud of from that period... nobody at all.

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    Sparta

    Re: U.S. Embargo

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    However, a nation propping up the worlds most brutal third world dictators, with recent military invasions and CIA puppet dictators were raping all of South America, Hawaii and Phillipines, neutral in the war against facism for 3 years (more counting Spain), during which Paris fell, London burned and something was clearly up with the concentration camps... in a nation where American indians were denied rights of voting or land ownership and blacks lived as less than human and mixed marriage was illegal and lynching wasn't .... I wouldn't argue much of a moral standpoint.

    Nobody has anything to be proud of from that period... nobody at all.
    This is probably comes closer to what I was looking for than your first post.

    One can, and has, argued that the oil embargo was effectively an act of aggression, a backdoor declaration of war on Japan. I wish I could accept my history lessons and many works relating to WWII with regard to the moral responsibility the US had to do every thing in its power to halt the Japanese advance, but attitudes from that time period point to the possibility that the US had other goals in mind.
    The question: Did the United States intentionally draw Japan in to war?

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    Dr.Knuckles

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    Understanding Japan at that time is almost impossible. North Korea of today is maybe the closest we could come. There's a cliff near here where 2,000 middle school kids ran and jumped off when they heard that foreigners had taken Okinawa.

    They would never have seen the war as against the US or against the West, it was a never-ending, 1 on 1 contest between Japan and foreigners. Only 2 sides. Absolutely no difference between Americans or Chinese or Russian. They still say 'when foreigners dropped the nuclear bombs' when they talk about it.

    That's my long-winded way of saying i dont know but im also interested.

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    Sparta

    Re: U.S. Embargo

    Your insight in to modern day Japan and it's attitudes is very interesting.

    Do the Japanese exchange dialog on this subject?

    Also, your assertion that Japan viewed it as them vs the world insinuates that an attack on the US was inevitable, is that what you understand?

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    davideyoung

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    In hindsight, Japan wouldn't have attacked the US without that embargo.
    This is incorrect. The emperror of Japan was signing a peace treaty with the US that lifted the embargo at the same time as the attack was carried out.

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    Feslin

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    Not to mention that if they did in fact attack because of the embargo, they're dipshits.

    They weren't exactly fixing the problem...

  9. #9
    Sparta

    Re: U.S. Embargo

    The standard answer to that is Japan attacked the US Pacific Fleet so they could remain unopposed in their theater of operation.
    They would have had access to oil in the east.

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    Feslin

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    Hmm, and they almost succeeded, except for pure dumb luck. Our aircraft carriers weren't in the harbor.

    Hah!

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