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  1. #231
    Established Member Redwood's Avatar
    Oct 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by nonsqtr View Post
    Obama's Middle East policy in tatters: Column

    The results speak for themselves, yes?

    And I mean, this is a significant find. This is after Bush, right?

    Obama's ratings are lower than Bush's.

    Based on WHAT? When has any US Policy in the Middle East managed to make the irrational locals play nice? I see DEMOCRACY making some gains. I see Al Qaeda mostly unable to hit at trying to duck and dodge. co-operation fron the Russians. The Iranians seem to be thinking Nukes may not be such a good idea. Rather notable...nobody is actively at war with Isreal.

    If you look at the bottom line...we are doing rather well. If I look back over the past 30-40 years... the middle East on average is showing a little progress and I don't expect much. The Middle dozens of nations with a messy Religious fanaticism,with a lot of ignorance and poverty, with history of violence, corruption, crazy ass nonsense.

  2. #232
    Join, or Die nonsqtr's Avatar
    Jan 2008

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwood View Post
    I see DEMOCRACY making some gains.
    Yeah really? Like in Egypt, right?

    I see Al Qaeda mostly unable to hit at us...
    Yeah really? Like in Benghazi, right?

    be trying to duck and dodge.
    Dude - have you been reading the papers?

    Quick question: how many car bombs have gone off in Iraq in the last two weeks?

    (Hint: it's more than you can count on your fingers and toes). co-operation fron the Russians.
    Really? You call that cooperation? ROFL. I think Mr. Putin is laughing his ass off.

    The Iranians seem to be thinking Nukes may not be such a good idea.
    Oh. You've been listening to that new guy Rouhani?

    And you think he represents "hope and change"?

    Rather notable...nobody is actively at war with Isreal.
    Um.... I'm thinking that would be somewhat of a distortion. I'm not an Israeli, but I'm thinking if you ask the actual Israelis they'll tell you something different. I don't know though, I'll certainly defer to the Israeli opinion on that one.

    If you look at the bottom line...we are doing rather well.
    Yeah really? (oh, well, we're not talking about debt over 100% of GDP, right?)

    No, we're not doing well. We were just forced to accept someone else's version of "disarming our enemy". And before that we got the shit kicked out of us by 200 rag-tag Al Qaeda militants. And somewhere in between there we backed a democracy in a country that was so fucked up the army had to take over again.

    I don't think we're doing very well. What I think is, we should be very fucking grateful the Libyan People still seem to be on our side (most of 'em, anyway).

    If I look back over the past 30-40 years... the middle East on average is showing a little progress and I don't expect much. The Middle dozens of nations with a messy Religious fanaticism,with a lot of ignorance and poverty, with history of violence, corruption, crazy ass nonsense.
    Correct. We should stay the fuck out of there. We can't do anything good for the Middle East. We can only cause additional pain.

  3. #233
    Senior Member
    Oct 2011

    U.S. ‘backed plan to launch chemical weapon attack on Syria and blame it on Assad’s regime’

    Leaked emails from defense contractor refers to chemical weapons saying ‘the idea is approved by Washington’


    US ?backed plan to launch chemical weapon attack on Syria, blame it on Assad govt?: Report
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  4. #234
    Off to greener pastures
    Jul 2006

    Quote Originally Posted by WisconsinCheesehead View Post
    U.S. ‘backed plan to launch chemical weapon attack on Syria and blame it on Assad’s regime’

    Leaked emails from defense contractor refers to chemical weapons saying ‘the idea is approved by Washington’


    US ?backed plan to launch chemical weapon attack on Syria, blame it on Assad govt?: Report
    Would not surprise me one bit.

  5. #235
    Senior Member
    Oct 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by Invayne View Post
    Would not surprise me one bit.
    The false flags of Libya, Syria and Iran pushed by George Soros, and the Ford Foundation media (PBS, NPR, Democracy Now, Pacifica Radio) are exactly the same type of lies as Fox News, CNN, the NYT used to perpetuate for the NeoCons and Bush/Cheney WMD lies about Iraq. The intelligence was fixed around the policy.

    I have real doubts the Tea Party exists at all out there in our country. Its an Astroturf circus to keep Americans divided among themselves. Divided we fall, divide and conquer. Handfuls of people in silly costumes standing in front of the TV camera for a sound bite don't count. The Tea Party exists because Glenn Beck and Hannity say so? A bunch of trolls on message boards controlled at NSA? Some tiny minority in the beltway? And the Demogogues on the Left who are shouting about the Tea Party, on and on, is silly as well. The Right Wing always tried to shut down the Dems and Clinton. Its how "the Party" functions. (Dems/GOP are essentially ONE PARTY, THE BIG BROTHER STATE, PEPETUAL WAR PARTY) One hand blocks reform, the Democrats invariably roll over and play dead. Its a choreographed sideshow, while the govmnt stenographers in the media dance on string and write what they're told. Cable News is paid to perpetuate the Military Industrial Complex with manufactured threats like Iran "nuclear program" lie. But what the Demogogues on the Left don't tell you is the Democrat Party are paid to play dead, what change has REALLY occured since Obama took over, I ask you? To be clear, it is not just the GOP half of "the Party" that is obstructionist. In truth, the Dems are also obstructionists who have CHANGED NOTHING about this gargantuan National Security State, War Machine and bloated Pentagon, correct?

    BTW - I was going to read about Syria over at PROJECT CENSORED, but the management over there wouldn't let them cover it. Even the Foundation funded Common Dreams "Progressive" blogs won't discuss the Libya,Syria false flags WMD lies or Obamas arming of the terrorists in Syria, Libya for two years, which even CODE PINK (funded by Soros) kept hidden. Why because they are Corporatized Astroturf Foundation fronts, like AlterNet, or Talking Points Memo, paid for by George Soros, who profits off said wars because he is on the board of Caryle and has numerous Big Defense/Big Oil stockholdings. Where is HuffingtonPost on all these war lies? Sold to the Corporatists while Arriana Huffinton lives high on the hog and Americans have fewer websites and newsgroups to excercise FREE SPEECH. This is fascism, where Big Business owns everone at PBS, NPR, and CBS ... where is "60 Minutes" aren't they going to expose how in Syria with regard to WMD "the intel was being fixed around the policy" AGAIN?(like Bush/ Cheney/ Scooter Libby did in Iraq) Thats because you don;t have a FREE COUNTRY, you have this AMERICAN FASCISM.

    Take this example from another Establishment, Ivy League twit, shouldn't she be a Foundation Liberal on PBS? Bought off by Exxon and the Macarthur Foundation (CIA?)

    Rachel Maddow's Iran "Misinformation" (BIG LIE)

    Rachel Maddow's Iran Misinformation

    see also:

    21st Century Industrial Complexes - Part 1: Fascism and the Führer™ Brands of Corporatism

    "In our digital age, much of the infiltration of nonconformist and activist groups to quash dissent is now done online by COINTELPRO operations. The Pentagon employs social media trolls and disinformation internet shills to engage in psychological warfare; smearing individuals and groups with false media reports. To avoid detection, wigs and dark glasses are no longer required, the diguises can simply be a popular avatar."

    21st Century Industrial Complexes, part 2: Surveillance, Cyber-Spying and the National Stasi Agency


    Or perhaps you think the Tea Party exists because they call in to TALK SHOWS ???
    Or is the Tea Party just part of the "Two Party" blame game, PSYOPS ???

    Your Favorite Wacky Morning Radio Show Is a Festival of Lies

    Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck Respond To Report That Parent Company Hires Actors for Call-ins
    Last edited by WisconsinCheesehead; 22nd October 2013 at 03:19 PM.
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  6. #236
    Senior Member
    Oct 2011

    “Contractors” at Boston Marathon Stood Near Bomb, Left Before Detonation

    Image: After the explosion, two of the contractors seen by the wall next to the bomb, appear across the street, both using communication equipment. This photo too has been distributed and enlarged many times across the Internet.

    ?Contractors? at Boston Marathon Stood Near Bomb, Left Before Detonation | Global Research

    Was Tamerian beaten and tortured to death by the FBI in order to extract a confession about brothers whereabouts or the location of accomplices?

    “When asked about reports that Tsarnaev was run over by his fleeing brother Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, Wolfe said he did not see any obvious injuries that would back up that theory.

    The head ER doctor at the hospital said:

    “I certainly did not see any tire marks or the usual things we see with someone run over by a car,” he said.

    Wolfe cautioned that the exact cause of death would not be apparent until the Medical Examiner looks at Tsarnaev.”

    UPDATE: Naked man arrested in Watertown, MA related to boston bombing - YouTube

  7. #237
    Senior Member
    Oct 2011


    Letter RE: Sept. 11th, co-signed by a few U.S. Congressman

    portland imc - 2005.05.08 - Letter to US Congressmen: 9/11 Inside Job linked to "Iraq memo"


    Dear Representative {name}:

    Thank you for your letter, co-signed with 89 other Congress
    people, calling on George Bush to answer questions about the
    secret U.S.-UK agreement to attack Iraq.

    By way of background, we are a group of ex-military officials,
    scientists, lawyers, historians, publishers, and researchers.
    We are not wild-eyed conspiracy theorists, but sober, level-headed analysts.

    Many of us knew BEFORE the Iraq invasion commenced that the
    Administration's claims concerning weapons of mass destruction
    were false, and were merely being made in order to justify a pre-
    planned military campaign.

    As Air Force Lt. Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski, who worked in the
    secretive office of Undersecretary for Policy Douglas Feith, pointed out:

    "From May 2002 until February 2003, I observed firsthand the
    formation of the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans and watched the
    latter stages of the neoconservative capture of the policy-
    intelligence nexus in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq."

    This secretive Office of Special Plans is apparently also part
    of an investigation by the FBI and has already led to at least one
    arrest, of Larry Franklin, who worked under Feith.

    Congress did not listen to us, and instead optimistically and
    hopefully believed our Commander-in-Chief and his cabinet.

    By 1998, the neocon think-tank Project for a New American
    Century (PNAC), of which Feith was a member, laid the intellectual for the Iraq war,
    and also a larger military adventure, in a
    letter to former President Clinton:

    "Only ground forces can remove Saddam and his regime from power
    and open the way for a new post-Saddam Iraq .... "

    "We urge you to turn your Administration's attention to
    implementing a strategy for removing Saddam's regime from power."

    Immediately after September 11th, PNAC wrote a letter to
    President George W. Bush:

    Saddam Hussein is one of the leading terrorists on the face of
    the Earth ... any strategy...must include a determined effort to
    remove Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq..."

    The signatories to this letter included Feith supporters Bruce
    P. Jackson, Charles Krauthammer, Richard Perle, Norman Podhoretz
    and future 9/11 Commissioner John Lehman.

    Which leads us to the September 11 tragedy.

    As Professor Benjamin deMott pointed out last year in Harper's magazine, the so
    called 9/11 Commission Report defrauds the nation and is
    a "whitewash".

    Careful and extensive analysis of this report suggests that the
    official story of 9/11 is a bold lie and the real perpetrators
    of 9/11 have yet to be publicly named. We do not make these
    claims lightly.

    If you are concerned about your nation, you should be finally
    really concerned and create a committee to bring these findings and
    other unanswered questions into mainstream.

    We are writing to alert you to this even greater deception
    which the Administration has carried out in order to justify a pre-
    planned military agenda.

    I wish to tell you in the strongest possible, and yet
    respectful terms, that if you do not listen to those who have researched
    this issue now, the U.S. will face a far greater crisis, with more
    serious repurcussions, than the Iraq war.

    I am certain that if you have your staffers spend a little of
    their admittedly scarce time examining this information, they
    will verify that this issue represents a far greater threat to
    American security and our constitutional form of government than the
    Administration's misrepresentations concerning Iraq.

    Specifically, a recent talk broadcast on C-Span2 by a highly
    regarded professor emeritus and author provides an
    introduction to the fact that the Administration WAS complicit and originator
    in the tragedy of September 11, 2001. This talk may be viewed on C-
    Span,or on the Internet at

    As patriotic Americans, we cannot rest unless we share what we
    know now before America rings a bell which cannot be unrung.

    Our country faces a grave threats, and we must face the problem
    while it is still containable. We invite you to face the truth
    now concerning what happened on 9-11, instead of letting history
    judge us like Neville Chamberlain, who failed to see the true intent
    and ruthlessness of an adversary, and so failed to act while there
    was still time.

    We possess substantial, credible, and specific information
    which I can provide to you about this subject.

    A sampling of our findings
    is attached hereto in a two-page summary.

    Please feel free to contact me at any time.


    Last year's BBC documentary, "The Power of Nightmares: The
    Rise of the Politics of Fear", systematically challenged the myth of
    Al- Qaeda and many other accepted articles of faith in the so-
    called War on Terror.

    Neither the 9/11 Commission nor any court of law has been able
    to directly take evidence from the key post-9/11 terror detainees
    held by the United States. Everything we know comes from sides
    that have a great stake in exaggerating the threat posed by Al

    In reality, PNAC members like former CIA director James Woolsey
    are using this false agenda to pushing for "World War IV":

    "This fourth world war, I think, will last considerably longer
    than either World Wars I or II did for us..."As we move toward a new
    Middle East ...over the years and, I think, over the decades to
    come ... we will make a lot of people very nervous."

    Norman Podhoretz, another PNAC member points out:

    "...Suppose that we hang in long enough to carry World War IV
    to a comparably successful conclusion. What will victory mean this
    time around?

    Well, to us it will mean the elimination of another,
    and in some respects greater, threat to our safety and security...."

    The idea of "WW4" started with Eliot Cohen, called by one
    observer "the most influential neocon in academe," a well-known
    scholar of military affairs based at Johns Hopkins School of
    Advanced International Studies (SAIS), which also served as a
    base for a number of prominent neoconservatives, including former
    Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz (now head of the World Bank)
    and political scientist Francis Fukuyama.

    Cohen has also been affiliated with a number of hawkish advocacy groups, including
    the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq and PNAC and also serves
    of the Defense Policy Board.

    In 1996, Cohen, along Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, and David
    Wurmser , co-authored a policy paper entitled "A Clean Break: A
    New Strategy for Securing the Realm", which was presented to then-
    Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu. The paper argued that
    Israel had no choice but to preemptively attack Arab nations
    including Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Iran. Iraq, the only
    serious challenge to Israel, had to be destroyed first in order to
    secure a stranglehold over Syria, which was depicted as the main danger
    to the Jewish state.

    The 9/11 attacks were war-gamed, and indeed PRACTICED, various
    times before September 11, in a dozen terror drills and on the
    horrible day itself in classified war games conducted by several
    different U.S. defense agencies.

    While some of these war games and terror drills have been discussed by the mainstream media, others have been wholly ignored. - team8plus Resources and Information. This website is for sale!

    In one terror exercise conducted in October 2000, a miniature
    simulation of the Pentagon was attacked with a plane.
    This exercise was not addressed by the 9/11 Commission.

    In May 2004, former NYPD COmmissioner Bernard Kerik confirmed pre- 9/11 drills of "plane crashes" and "building collpases".

    Also, In May of 2001, they did a tabletop exercise in New York called Red X, which was an attack of bubonic plague in the city, a terrorist incident.
    National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States

    The second part of that drill was scheduled, coincidentally for September 12th on Pier 92.

    Various mainstream reports have confirmed that the FBI, CIA,
    Secret Service, FEMA and even the NYPD was already at the area of
    Ground Zero on the morning of September 11th. In Washington DC, three
    fire units had been involved in an exercise IN THE HOURS BEFORE the
    9/11 attacks, yet again this pattern of prior knowledge has never
    been investigated.

    Furthermore, a look at the BTS-database of the Federal Aviation
    Administration shows that the official flights of September 11
    had either not been listed at all, did not depart at the official
    times, or did not depart at all. Radar analysis also suggests, that
    the official flights did not arrive in Washington and New York.

    We have evidence to prove the above-described claims. And we
    possess substantial additional evidence that certain elements
    of the Administration engineered 9/11 as a uniquely
    American "Reichstag fire", and an attempt to cover up the truth.

    Indeed, official, recently declassified documents show that in the 1960's, the
    Joint Chiefs of Staff proposed, in "Operation Northwoods", to blow up
    American airliners, and blame it on the Cubans, in order to
    justify an invasion of Cuba. Operation Northwoods

    The preponderence of the evidence shows that 9/11 was the same kind of "false flag"

    Supporter of 9/11 Truth Action
    Supporter of 9/11 Truth Movement

    This letter will be sent to the following US Congress members and representatives of mainstream media. Please follow up on that with faxes and phone calls.

    Neil Abercrombie
    Brian Baird
    Tammy Baldwin
    Xavier Becerra
    Shelley Berkley
    Eddie Bernice Johnson
    Sanford Bishop
    Earl Blumenauer
    Corrine Brown
    Sherrod Brown
    G.K. Butterfield
    Emanuel Cleaver
    James Clyburn
    John Conyers
    Jim Cooper
    Elijah Cummings
    Danny Davis
    Peter DeFazio
    Diana DeGette
    Bill Delahunt
    Rosa DeLauro
    Lloyd Doggett
    Sam Farr
    Bob Filner
    Harold Ford, Jr.
    Barney Frank
    Al Green
    Raul Grijalva
    Louis Gutierrez
    Alcee Hastings
    Maurice Hinchey
    Rush Holt
    Jay Inslee
    Sheila Jackson Lee
    Jessie Jackson Jr.
    Marcy Kaptur
    Patrick Kennedy
    Dale Kildee
    Carolyn Kilpatrick
    Dennis Kucinich
    William Lacy Clay
    Barbara Lee
    John Lewis
    Zoe Lofgren
    Donna M. Christensen
    Carolyn Maloney
    Ed Markey
    Carolyn McCarthy
    Jim McDermott
    James McGovern
    Cynthia McKinney
    Martin Meehan
    Kendrick Meek
    Gregory Meeks
    Michael Michaud
    George Miller
    Gwen S. Moore
    James Moran
    Jerrold Nadler
    Grace Napolitano
    James Oberstar
    John Olver
    Major Owens
    Frank Pallone
    Donald Payne
    Charles Rangel
    Bobby Rush
    Bernie Sanders
    Linda Sanchez
    Jan Schakowsky
    Jose Serrano
    Ike Skelton
    Louise Slaughter
    Hilda Solis
    Pete Stark
    Ellen Tauscher
    Bennie Thompson
    Edolphus Towns
    Stephanie Tubbs Jones
    Chris Van Hollen
    Nydia Velazquez
    Debbie Wasserman Schultz
    Maxine Waters
    Diane Watson
    Melvin Watt
    Robert Wexler
    Lynn Woolsey
    David Wu
    Albert R. Wynn

  8. #238
    Senior Member
    Oct 2011

    1. So Prez. Obama supposedly kills the worlds most reknown terrorist, throws the body over board, but won't show us the photos of the kill. How gullible are you people ???

    2. So Prez. Bush tries to connect Iraq with the war on terror, and says there is a link w/ Saddam and Al Queda but has no proof. So after Sept. 11th, Bush automatically knows who did it 90 minutes after the event, says there were no warnings, WTC 7 falls by itself, there is a video of a missle hitting the Penagon, and the U.S. seizes Iraq oil fields. Hello, McFly! Anyone home? False Flag conspiracy here!

    3. So Prez. Obama says we have WMD in Syria, have to bomb and support overthrow, just after another fat lie and bogus threat of Quaddafi in Libya. Hello, do we see a pattern here? Big Oil reserves? Pipelines from Iran?

    4. Rachel Maddow formerly of the "anti war" movement says we have to confront Iran to her Liberal audience, Amy Goodman formerly of the "anti war" movement lies about Syria flase flag as does Tom Hartman, Randi Rhodes, and Ed Schultz of the 'Progressive' "anti war" groups, so does Pacifica Radio, lies about new Obama wars just like Fox News did for the GOP. Looks like all the Progressive Hosts are Govmnt spooks, supporting wars all of a sudden, OOPSY!

  9. #239
    Senior Member
    Oct 2011

    Another Radio Host ,Birther and Tea Partier/Rand Paul Supporter admits ties to govmnt

  10. #240
    Senior Member
    Oct 2011

    All that defense spending has now mushroomed into a 1 Trillion dollars annual defense expenditure for intel agencies, missle defense, interest on the debt, veterans benefits and so forth. And the GOP still wants to expand the New World Order even further to include wars in Syria and Iran. We are still funding Al Queda. The U.S. military even has to bribe the Taliban to keep the fuel lines open!

    Taliban Charging “Protection Money”

    Taliban Charging "Protection Money"

    How the US Funds the Taliban | The Nation

    How U.S. Taxpayers Are Funding the Taliban (Updated)

    Michael Hughes: How U.S. Taxpayers Are Funding the Taliban (Updated)

    __________________________________________________ ____________

    Yes - policing the earth for the New World Order gets pretty expensive, eh?

    Heres why the govmnt likes to cut every social program so the war profiteers can scam it.

    even the Taliban gets a cut - 1 billion dollars a year extorted as "protection" money from contractors ...

    by Michael Hughes

    "Some experts have estimated that close to $1 billion a year of foreign assistance has fallen into the hands of the enemy as a result of poorly-run counterinsurgency programs, ill-devised USAID projects and countless logistics and security extortion rings. In addition, a free-market ideologue outsourcing craze has led to a wholesale lack of oversight while the prioritization of private greed over the public good has fostered unprecedented levels of corruption. "

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