47%? More like 96% who get Govt Help

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Sorry, Krop, you're going to have to earn your wealth through work. It's a common fallacy of the lazy youth to think that all things should be equally divided regardless of effort and/or success.
 
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Getting break that non-rich citizens can't get is welfare for the rich.
Only if you change the definition of welfare. "Welfare for the rich" is seen in corporate bailouts. They are saving corporations from failure by throwing taxpayer money at them. That's welfare. Tax breaks don't fit the description.

This bears repeating too:

The Tax System Explained in Beer
Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100…

If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this…

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.

The fifth would pay $1.

The sixth would pay $3.

The seventh would pay $7..

The eighth would pay $12.

The ninth would pay $18.

The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that’s what they decided to do..

The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve ball. “Since you are all such good customers,” he said, “I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20″. Drinks for the ten men would now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men? The paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share?

They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.

So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by a higher percentage the poorer he was, to follow the principle of the tax system they had been using, and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.

And so the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% saving).

The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% saving).

The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28% saving).

The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% saving).

The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% saving).

The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% saving).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings.

“I only got a dollar out of the $20 saving,” declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,”but he got $10!”

“Yeah, that’s right,” exclaimed the fifth man. “I only saved a dollar too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!”

“That’s true!” shouted the seventh man. “Why should he get $10 back, when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!”

“Wait a minute,” yelled the first four men in unison, “we didn’t get anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!”

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!
 
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Devil505

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Only if you change the definition of welfare. "Welfare for the rich" is seen in corporate bailouts. They are saving corporations from failure by throwing taxpayer money at them. That's welfare. Tax breaks don't fit the description.
That's just your opinion. Mine is different.
 
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That's just your opinion. Mine is different.
Maybe some people think of special favors, tax breaks, etc. which benefit the very rich as "welfare," but that is misnomer city. The motive and mechanism is entirely different than welfare. Welfare is need-based. Tax breaks are (at worst) corruption-based.

When a business is about to fail and government notices and throws tax money at them to save them, that's inherently welfare because it's need-based. "They need it, so we have to provide it." Provision for the survival and basic well-being of corporations in need. That's corporate welfare. They do the same with individuals, and that's social welfare. Also need-based.
 
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That's true, but that was Romney's error, not mine. It's also the case that not every dollar earned or spent is 100% thanks to government, but I wrote it that way just for sake of illustration for some of the folks with comprehension problems (such as the author of the article in the OP).
how does a false analogy illustrate anything?
 
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how does a false analogy illustrate anything?
Romney: "There are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent on government, who believe that, that they are victims, who believe that government has the responsibility to care for them. Who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing."

Author from San Francisco: "Hey, actually 96% get government help!"


Do you comprehend the author's misinterpretation? Romney never claimed only those 47% get any "help." We have to read between the lines and figure he's talking about the 47% of Americans who pay no income taxes. The author is arguing against a straw man.


Whatever though. You don't care.


Frankly neither do I.
 
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Romney: "There are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent on government, who believe that, that they are victims, who believe that government has the responsibility to care for them. Who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing."

Author from San Francisco: "Hey, actually 96% get government help!"


Do you comprehend the author's misinterpretation? Romney never claimed only those 47% get any "help." We have to read between the lines and figure he's talking about the 47% of Americans who pay no income taxes. The author is arguing against a straw man.


Whatever though. You don't care.


Frankly neither do I.
youre right. i just read your post and noticed it didnt ring true i couldnt give a shit what a moron like romney says
 

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