A Hypothetical for Trump Supporters

Babba

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Just suppose this happened.

Defenders of Trump on this matter would seem to be conceding that a President Kamala Harris could pressure foreign leaders to investigate Don Jr., Eric, and Ivanka Trump for corrupt business dealings in their respective countries, marshaling the leverage of U.S. foreign policy to secure answers.

The inquiry could extend to anything related, however tangentially, to the official doings and responsibilities of their father, which would plausibly encompass nearly all of the Trump Organization’s actions around the world.


Harris could run the whole operation through a personal attorney chosen for his or her personal and political loyalty, bypassing the procedures and checks against corruption embedded within the federal bureaucracy. And she could do this to the Trump kids even if one of them were running against her for president––indeed, it would not even matter if her motives were obviously venal.

So, Trump supporters: Do you think, as I do, that it would be an abuse of power for President Harris to investigate Don Jr., Eric, and Ivanka in this fashion? Or are you okay with the precedent that Trump is trying to set?

There are all kinds of dangerous precedents that Trump has set but this one is worst of all.
 
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boontito

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Just suppose this happened.




There are all kinds of dangerous precedents that Trump has set but this one is worst of all.
The most dangerous precedent being set in this country is the willingness, or even eagerness, of law abiding citizens to look the other way when their team abuses power.
 

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During a phone call with Xi on June 18, Trump raised Biden’s political prospects as well as those of Sen. Elizabeth Warren, who by then had started rising in the polls, according to two people familiar with the discussion. In that call, Trump also told Xi he would remain quiet on Hong Kong protests as trade talks progressed.
 
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You guys seem to forget that our law enforcement requests the help of foreign governments all the time because many things transpire in their nations that we have no access to. Often out prosecutors or investigators need access to information about things that happened in a foreign nation so of course we need to ask for their assistance and they ask for our also if the situation is reversed.

This is standard practice.

When Obama ran Fast and Furious he requested the assistance of the Mexican government to do things on their side with the investigation because he didn't have the power to do it in their nation.

What is so hard for you folks on the left to grasp about this?
 

Babba

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You guys seem to forget that our law enforcement requests the help of foreign governments all the time because many things transpire in their nations that we have no access to. Often out prosecutors or investigators need access to information about things that happened in a foreign nation so of course we need to ask for their assistance and they ask for our also if the situation is reversed.

This is standard practice.

When Obama ran Fast and Furious he requested the assistance of the Mexican government to do things on their side with the investigation because he didn't have the power to do it in their nation.

What is so hard for you folks on the left to grasp about this?
It fine if it's in service to the country but not if it's in service to the president's political campaign. Why is it so difficult for you to grasp that?
 
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I do believe that Mueller investigated the Trump family. Mueller was a "free range" investigator. Had he found anything, we would have heard about it.

But, if you have proof that Trump's kids made millions of dollars, for having little to no practical experience in the field of business, then by all means let's see it.
 
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It fine if it's in service to the country but not if it's in service to the president's political campaign. Why is it so difficult for you to grasp that?
Except that is exactly what Trump said, he never once requested they dig up dirt on a political opponent.

If you have that transcript then please share it with us.
 
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Babba

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The hypocrisy and irony of clips like the one below — pushed by an arm of the Trump campaign despite Eric and Don Jr.’s (broken) promise to stay out of politics so conflicts of interest could be avoided between their father and the family business they now manage on his behalf — is truly staggering:

The implication of the conspiracy theory Eric Trump pushed on The Ingraham Angle and Don Jr. on Hannity is that Hunter Biden’s international business dealings created conflicts of interest for the Obama administration’s foreign policy.

Just hours before the Trumps’ Fox News appearances, Forbes reported that Eric and Don Jr. have sold more than $100 million of the family’s real estate since the January 2017 inauguration — including a $3.2 million deal in the Dominican Republic last year that is “the clearest violation of their father’s pledge to do no new foreign deals while in office.” Foreign money has also poured into the Trump International Hotel, located just blocks from the White House, which the president’s most recent financial disclosure indicated made him $41 million last year alone.

In addition to Ukraine, the Trumps have also accused Hunter Biden of cashing in in China. But as the New York Times detailed in August, a $1.7 billion Trump Organization project in Indonesia received a $500 billion infusion from a state-owned Chinese construction company. And it’s not just Eric and Don Jr.; Ivanka Trump, despite working in the White House, continues to do business in China as well.

 
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Honestly a foreign country has no political motivation when doing an investigation on what Americans do in their country. More fair than Democrats that are motivated to claim political power


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Just suppose this happened.




There are all kinds of dangerous precedents that Trump has set but this one is worst of all.
Ms. Babba,

too much of a hypothetical. There will never be a President Kamala Harris.