A scathing new Pentagon report blames Trump for the return of ISIS in Syria and Iraq

johnflesh

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At some point the ME is going to have to be on their own to deal with ISIS.

Trump didn't defeat ISIS but he certain won that battle with them. Their reformation or regrouping had to be expected (as outlined in the article).

Many officials and experts have repeatedly warned that a rapid US withdrawal from Syria would enable ISIS to regroup into an insurgency after their battlefield defeats by the US-led coalition.
But as we see, that wasn't a part of the concern when pulling troops out. For better or for worse.
 
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Not the point Orange. You don't do these things precipitously because some murderous asshole in Turkey tells you to do it. You bring in the military experts and intelligence assets for analysis and planning - You listen to THOSE guys - Not fucking Erdogan!
If you're the CiC, you decide for whatever reason you'd like and the naysaying ninnies can pound sand until you're out of office.
 
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At some point the ME is going to have to be on their own to deal with ISIS.

Trump didn't defeat ISIS but he certain won that battle with them. Their reformation or regrouping had to be expected (as outlined in the article).



But as we see, that wasn't a part of the concern when pulling troops out. For better or for worse.
They didn't create ISIS.. We did. This is the outcome of the invasion of Iraq.
 

The Man

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You know what is part of the problem, in my opinion?

The US allied Kurds are too fucking soft; look what goes on in the Kurd-run caamps, the ISIS women do whatever they want: ISIS brides in Shamima Begum camp 'stab guards and stone aid workers'

Hand them over to fucking Assad, I say.

Let them try that shit in one of THEIR detainee camps (guarded by Russian mercenaries, plenty of them)


Let me put it this way... I don't support how Russia, let alone Assad, do most things.

But, at least, they treat a vanquished enemy as exactly that...

All the thoughts of their precious "caliphate" would get beaten out of those ISIS gals and their sons real quick, in THOSE camps...
 
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At some point the ME is going to have to be on their own to deal with ISIS.

Trump didn't defeat ISIS but he certain won that battle with them. Their reformation or regrouping had to be expected (as outlined in the article).

But as we see, that wasn't a part of the concern when pulling troops out. For better or for worse.
Agree.

If the US wants to suppress/contain ISIS style activity then we have to supply troops. If the goal is to really crush them then we would need more troops, not less. But the political opposition to the Administration would scream bloody murder if Trump proposed increasing troop levels.

The Middle East is a political/religious/ideological clusterfuck. But there is also a bunch of oil. So the world economies don't get to just ignore it.

No good solutions. Although helping to keep Israel safe/independent is a valid persistent goal.





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Agree.

If the US wants to suppress/contain ISIS style activity then we have to supply troops. If the goal is to really crush them then we would need more troops, not less. But the political opposition to the Administration would scream bloody murder if Trump proposed increasing troop levels.

The Middle East is a political/religious/ideological clusterfuck. But there is also a bunch of oil. So the world economies don't get to just ignore it.

No good solutions. Although helping to keep Israel safe/independent is a valid persistent goal.


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Syria has no oil and the little bit they have is the poorest quality.. its only fit for asphalt. Israel is in no danger.
 
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