Alex jones, Jesse Ventura and your vanishing freedoms.

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I don't know that it hasn't been released, I'm guessing. Ask the country where it happened. In the mean time, we have eyewitnesses including the doctors who treated Stevens and all you have are fake pictures (not of Stevens) and phony conservatives who claim that he was tortured. You are the one claiming that he was tortured - the onus is on you to prove your case.

UPDATED: Chris Stevens Torture Photo – Not Chris Stevens
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That's the way. Don't fall for the 'reversal of the burden of proof' trick, for it's up to the conspiracy theorists to prove their claims, and not us to disprove them, yet they almost universally try to force it back on the sceptic.
 
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I don't know that it hasn't been released, I'm guessing. Ask the country where it happened. In the mean time, we have eyewitnesses including the doctors who treated Stevens and all you have are fake pictures (not of Stevens) and phony conservatives who claim that he was tortured. You are the one claiming that he was tortured - the onus is on you to prove your case.

UPDATED: Chris Stevens Torture Photo – Not Chris Stevens
You are reaching brother ...

You know as well as I do the official autopsy is the evidence that would clarify All of this.

But, it hasn't been released .....

And, we ALL know why ....

Perhaps you could prove this fact wrong and link the Autopsy .....

Or, you could just admit that I'm right on this one.
 
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You are reaching brother ...

You know as well as I do the official autopsy is the evidence that would clarify All of this.

But, it hasn't been released .....

And, we ALL know why ....

Perhaps you could prove this fact wrong and link the Autopsy .....

Or, you could just admit that I'm right on this one.
John.....how in the world could you possibly suggest that you are correct on this issue? Post proof that Stevens was tortured....go ahead, I'll wait. Where is your proof? Oh, you don't have any? Then you're just flapping your gums.
 
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You made a statement - back it up.

U.S. officials gave instructions for Benghazi Medical Center to use a "John Doe" pseudonym on the death certificate of Ambassador Christopher Stevens after he died of asphyxiation in the Sept. 11, 2012 terrorist attacks on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, Libya. That's according to a U.S. official speaking on condition of anonymity because the official isn't authorized to speak publicly on the matter. The reason for the pseudonym, says the official, was to avoid drawing undue attention to the importance of the victim as Americans rushed to figure out how to recover Stevens' body and return it to the U.S.

The official provided the most complete accounting yet of Stevens' whereabouts and passing in the eight and a half months since his death.
According to the official, U.S. officials aren't certain to this day whether Stevens was still alive when local Libyans made cell phone video recordings of his body being carried or dragged from the U.S. mission, possibly by looters. And they still don't know exactly who transported him to the Benghazi Medical Center where they say medical personnel attempted resuscitation, unsuccessfully, for about 40 minutes (90 minutes, according to published accounts from a Libyan doctor). When pieced together with previously provided information, this is how the search for Stevens is said to have unfolded, according to the official:
On Tuesday, Sept. 11, around the 10 p.m. hour (4 p.m. ET), State Department Information Officer Sean Smith's body had been pulled from the burned out U.S. mission, but nobody was able to locate Stevens in the smoky building. In the 11 p.m. hour (5 p.m. ET), a group of Libyans, possibly looters, found Stevens and pulled him out of the U.S. mission. Somebody transported him to Benghazi Medical Center where CPR was attempted. Initially, it's believed that doctors did not know who Stevens was. An unidentified man speaking Arabic used a cell phone Stevens had in his possession to call the U.S. embassy in Tripoli (the number was programmed into the phone). He seemed to want Americans to come to the hospital to retrieve Stevens, but U.S. officials were suspicious. The hospital was known to be under the influence of hostile militia and Embassy officials sensed a possible trap, so they opted not to attempt to send a U.S. rescue team now waiting at Benghazi's airport.

A familiar local to whom Americans refer as "Babakar" sent word to the U.S. embassy that Stevens had, indeed, passed away. Babakar sent some of his associates to recover Stevens' body at the hospital. When hospital officials asked what name should be entered on the death certificate, U.S. officials relayed the message to use "John Doe." Babakar's associates eventually transported Stevens' body to the airport where it was turned over to Americans.

Stevens' body was flown from Benghazi to Tripoli, Libya's capital the morning of Wednesday, Sept. 12 and President Obama was informed of the Ambassador's death. That night, a C-17 military aircraft carrying Stevens' body and three other American victims arrived in Ramstein, Germany. On Friday, Sept. 14, the victims' bodies arrived in the U.S. at Andrews Air Force base for a ceremony. Stevens' body was then taken to an FBI facility in Dover, Del., for an autopsy which revealed he died of asphyxia, presumably from smoke inhalation. Officials found no internal damage, no indication of assault and no mistreatment of his body. Stevens was then transported to a funeral home on Saturday, Sept. 15 and cremated, at his family's request.
 
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American dissidents like Jesse Ventura and Alex jones are canaries in the coal mine dropping from an Orwellian cloud of “hate speech” censorship. The US has always had fringe groups that are tolerated to protect our Constitution which has as its foundation the free exchange of ideas. Under our system it is up to the people to decide the veracity of complaints against the government. Those who sat in a comparative class during the Cuban missile standoff remember that critics of the Soviet system were promptly silenced.

Instructors in those classes that were underway during the Cuban Missile standoff, would be appalled at the direction our society has veered into which is chillingly identical to Soviet policy of the times. The sinister machinery of Soviet policy was always based on a calculated, top-down manipulation of a group thought process intolerant of and hostile to ideas critical of what was then soviet “political correctness”.

The great lie that occurred in 1989 was that communism was dead. The Wall preventing escape came down but it was really just a change in strategy that government in the US adopted as it co-opted education and held it hostage to funding that did not toe the line of the Great Society and War on Poverty. These tactics were employed to indoctrinate a free population into a balkanized, chaotic crusade against free thinking based on identity politics.

Alternative thinking is a crucial component of American society and fringe groups have always existed to protect citizens from what the line in the 1967 song by the Strawberry Alarm Clock, “Incense and Peppermints”, warned of: a yardstick for lunatics; one point of view.

Incense and peppermints were used in the 1960’s to mask the odor of marijuana. Today weed is being legalized nationally to stupefy the population making it easier to brainwash it into the “new” global transition of world government that sees our constitution as a threatening wrench in the gears slowing the progress of world socialism that is obviously Soviet Communism on steroids.

The soviets lost the economic war but that was a charade; they won the ideological one as educators in our society along with a prostituted monkey-see-monkey-do press plaster a swastika on an uncooperative president while they march behind the banner of a planetary hammer and sickle.

It’s the same old story; same old song and dance my friends. Say goodbye to your freedom.
Did I miss something? When did the Trump administration, Congress or other Federal agency censor Jones or Ventura? Frankly, I'm surprised Ventura is still around. I thought he retired and haven't heard from him in years.
 
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You are calling for censorship?
Putting a thread in the appropriate forum isn't censorship.

That said, are you saying you have a right to be on this forum and can sue them if they prevent you from saying anything you like?
 
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Social media dwarfs newspapers, radio and all other forms of public discourse in the US. They are in the process of censoring "dangerous" thinking" which is exactly what the Soviet union did and all other authoritarian and totalitarian governments like China do today.

What Censorship of Alex Jones Means for the Rest of Us

Again, ask yourself why Ventura's TV program was censored and lifted at the height of its popularity.