American Lives Lost From Sanctuary Laws

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ever heard of "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law"?
Of course, but that doesn't mean that someone is innocent after they've committed a crime, it just means they haven't yet been adjudicated to be guilty. If you steal something, you are guilty of that theft right then and there, even if you never got caught. :angry:
 

the watchman

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I'm an adult who is fine with legal immigration. How is that "bullshit"?

Incorrect. There are many who would stop all immigration if they could. You deny this?

No, I'm not. Just out of curiousity, what "false narrative" do you think I'm promoting? Tbh, it appears you like to use buzz words/phrases in lieu of coherent thoughts.

That word salad is totally a projection on your part. I've already shown where you called adults who support legal immigration "bigots" and "racists". Here it is again:
so you're fine with courts determining if people are here illegally? You're fine with people being able to seek asylum regardless of how they entered this country? You're fine with a path to citizenship for DACA recipients? And you've never refer to a undocumented alien as an "illegal"?
 

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1. I don't want ANY immigration (legal or illegal) except for rare cases of very high MERIT.

2. No such thing as "undocumented"

3. Illegal alins are illegals and invaders. Of course.

4. I support Trump separating children from parents going to jail. what do want to do put the kids in jail with the parents ? What's your position on the thousands of family separations occuring every day all across America, with American kids and parents arrested for crimes ? Opposed to them too ?
well, sorry about your luck. But, America is never going to adopt your bigoted immigration stances.
When you say things like there's "no such thing as 'undocumented' that's bigoted. When you call migrants "illegals" and "invaders" that's bigoted. Deal with it.
 
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so you're fine with court determining if people are here illegally?
Yes.
You're fine with people being able to seek asylum regardless of how they entered this country?
Yes.
You're fine with a path to citizenship for DACA recipients?
Depends on the path.
And you've never refer to a undocumented alien as an "illegal"?
All the time. That's what they are. It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with the laws governing immigration. If you break the law getting in, you're an alien who is here illegally, AKA an illegal alien.
 

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There are long lists of Americans who have been killed by illegal aliens inside US borders. Many are cops. Others just private citizens. Almost all are adults who have left children mourning for them. The numbers must be staggering. If no illegal alien was ever in the US, all these people would still be alive. And if sanctuary city laws didn't exist, many of the killings would have never happened.

In one of the latest, this week in California, an American citizen, Rocky Paul Jones, lost his life, shot to death by an illegal alien, Gustavo Garcia, who was released by Tulare County Sheriff, who was ordered to do so, under California's sanctuary law, SB-54., despite a detainer request fron ICE to hold him. The event that unfolded after this insane release could have easily been predicted, and probably were by the Sheriff.

Here is the account of what happened after Tulare County Sheriff Mike Boudreax released Gustavo Garcia. It is truly worth taking the time to read the article and watch the gunfight video to really get a feel for what Democrats are imposing on us. >>>



A man who had already been deported twice before went on a “reign of terror” this week in central California, one that included murder, attempted murder, robbery, carjacking, and a high-speed chase going the wrong way on the highway. All of that could have been prevented if local sheriff’s had been allowed to turn Gustavo Garcia over to ICE just two days before his rampage, but a new state sanctuary law prevented that.

Garcia was arrested last week on a misdemeanor charge of being under the influence of a controlled substance. When Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) saw that Garcia was under arrest they asked the police to turn him over.

Before Garcia’s release, ICE officials alerted deputies that Garcia was a criminal with a violent past who had been deported once in 2004 and again in 2014. Garcia served 27 months in a federal prison between deportations for illegally reentering the country. ICE agents issued an immigration hold against Garcia on Friday, following his arrest. The hold was not honored, however, and Garcia was released later that day, unbeknownst to ICE. (Visalia-Times Delta)

In the past, local sheriffs would have been allowed to turn Garcia directly over to ICE for deportation. But thanks to a new sanctuary state law, sheriffs were required to release him last Friday without notifying ICE. The next day, Garcia was wandering around the local Walmart asking strangers to buy him bullets. He couldn’t purchase them on his own because of his long criminal record. After he was turned down by at least one wary shopper, Garcia stole 300 rounds. Then on Sunday afternoon, less than 48-hours after his release from jail, Garcia went on a crime spree. Fox News reports how it began:

Garcia’s rampage started at around 1 p.m. Sunday when he shot a farm worker who was in the middle of unpacking fruit in Exeter. The farm worker was expected to recover.

Moments later, Garcia robbed a convenience store with surveillance footage showing Garcia firing shots at the ceiling and demanding more than $2,000 in cash, according to the Fresno Bee. Police believe the shooting of the farm worker was meant to be a distraction for the robbery.

At 7:30 p.m., Garcia shot a Motel 6 guest in the arm and chest in Tulare, police said. Her wounds weren’t considered to be life-threatening…

At around 1:30 a.m. Monday, Garcia shot up a Shell gas station near Pixley and then killed Rocky Paul Jones, 51, about an hour later outside an Arco AMPM in Visalia, police Chief Jason Salazar said…

He then fired shots from the backyard of his ex-girlfriend’s Visalia home as she and her children were inside. Police said the girlfriend and her children escaped unscathed.

Early Monday morning, police spotted Garcia in his car and gave chase. From ABC 30 >>

At around 6:30 a.m., Tulare County Sheriff’s deputies spotted Garcia’s vehicle and started a brief pursuit.

But they say Garcia’s car became disabled, and he started shooting at two deputies once he got out. Garcia finally crashed into several other cars and was ejected from the vehicle he had stolen driving. He died at the scene. ICE released a statement yesterday about the incident:

This deadly rampage could have been prevented if ICE had been notified of his release. This is an unfortunate and extremely tragic example of how public safety is impacted with laws or policies limiting local law enforcement agencies’ ability to cooperate with ICE.

Those deputies were able to return shots at Garcia, who ran into an orchard.

Police say Garcia carjacked some farmworkers in the orchard, but this time Visalia Police spotted him leaving the area, and started a pursuit.

Near Strathmore, the California Highway Patrol says Garcia started going the wrong way on Highway 65, trying to intentionally hit other cars, going at least 100 miles per hour.

Garcia finally crashed into several other cars and was ejected from the vehicle he had stolen driving. He died at the scene. ICE released a statement yesterday about the incident:

This deadly rampage could have been prevented if ICE had been notified of his release. This is an unfortunate and extremely tragic example of how public safety is impacted with laws or policies limiting local law enforcement agencies’ ability to cooperate with ICE.

Tulare County Sheriff Mike Boudreaux, the sheriff who released Garcia last Friday also expressed frustration over California’s Sanctuary law:

“Gustavo Garcia in times past would have been turned over to ICE officials. Even though it was a misdemeanor charge, they placed a detainer on him. That detainer can no longer be recognized, Boudreaux said.

“That’s how we did it in the past and that’s how we had always done it. And now, that tool has been taken from law enforcement,” Boudreaux continued. “After [the passage of] SB-54 we no longer have that power. That tool has been removed from our hands and because of that our county was shot up by a violent criminal that could have easily been prevented had we had the opportunity to reach out to our fellow counterparts,he added.

Update: Tulare County released this body camera video of the shootout Garcia had with police before he carjacked a second car and led police on a high-speed chase. Below that is a local news report on the murder victim in this case.

Tulare Sheriff's Office releases bodycam video from Monday gunbattle

Garcia was released because ICE failed to get a federal warrant from a judge.
That's called due process. Boudreaux should be ashamed of himself. Nothing prevented him from doing the outreach he claims he needed to do to ensure that Garcia wasn't released.
 

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One cannot be determined to be "illegal" until they have been adjudicated in a court of law to be as such and even then that isn't the term that is used when they are found guilty.

But the big question is...... why aren't you as upset by the undocumenteds coming in from Canada?
it's a bit of an adventure trying to figure out the rationale of some folks. The one in particular who are quick to call certain people "illegals". Who will ,in the next breathe, advocate that those same people aren't entitled to the very things that makes us a nation of law. Things like "civil rights" "due process" "being innocent until proven guilty"..."entitled to seek asylum regardless of how they entered the country"....etc.
 

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People like orangecat just don’t get it. It’s as if you don’t support the wall or the harsh treatment that trumpty imposes on those trying to get in legally or illegally, you’re somehow against legal immigration. It boggles the mind.
fox news lies all day about how liberals want open borders and their viewers eat it up.
 
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it's a bit of an adventure trying to figure out the rationale of some folks. The one in particular who are quick to call certain people "illegals". Who will ,in the next breathe, advocate that those same people aren't entitled to the very things that makes us a nation of law. Things like "civil rights" "due process" "being innocent until proven guilty"..."entitled to seek asylum regardless of how they entered the country"....etc.
But that poster seems to be only upset about one specific demographic of undocumenteds.
 
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