Another Dem Congress man calls for abolishing ICE.

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So, let's do what this thread is not intended for, and have a serious conversation.

ICE is, from any practical point of view, a brand new agency. Someone got the bright idea that, in the wake of 9/11, we need a consolidated group to handle investigation of transnational criminal syndicates, immigration enforcement and intelligence gathering, as well as more obscure functions like "state, local and tribal coordination." (I really have no idea what that means). Previously, you had INS.

While INS handled several responsibilities, the bulk of responsibilities involved oversight and enforcement of the permanent resident/naturalization system on one hand, and the location and removal of delinquent immigrants on the other. The same force in charge of kicking people out of the country also had agents tasked with welcoming them in, in essence. This worked for many years and is something we really ought to consider reviving. Any serious cop will tell you empathy is an essential part of the job.

Meanwhile, criminal law enforcement tasks should return to the Department of Justice. Ideally, INS and the Border Patrol refer cases to a U.S. attorney, who decides whether someone has committed a crime and whether to prosecute them. What we have now is ICE is investigating immigration crimes, making arrests and pressing charges against people, along with the Border Patrol, and DoJ is not allowed discretion — even to prioritize resources on more serious offenses — on who to prosecute. Reports broadly indicate this is diverting resources from drug investigations, human trafficking, anti-gang efforts et al.

In addition, several ICE agents who specialize in homeland security investigations have complained to Congress that the bad reputation the agency has acquired is making their jobs harder. Witnesses don't want to cooperate and bystanders treat them like crap. That's obviously not good at all.

That all being said, "abolish" is not the answer here. We need an internal immigration enforcement agency. ICE may just not be the ticket.
 
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So, let's do what this thread is not intended for, and have a serious conversation.

ICE is, from any practical point of view, a brand new agency. Someone got the bright idea that, in the wake of 9/11, we need a consolidated group to handle investigation of transnational criminal syndicates, immigration enforcement and intelligence gathering, as well as more obscure functions like "state, local and tribal coordination." (I really have no idea what that means). Previously, you had INS.

While INS handled several responsibilities, the bulk of responsibilities involved oversight and enforcement of the permanent resident/naturalization system on one hand, and the location and removal of delinquent immigrants on the other. The same force in charge of kicking people out of the country also had agents tasked with welcoming them in, in essence. This worked for many years and is something we really ought to consider reviving. Any serious cop will tell you empathy is an essential part of the job.

Meanwhile, criminal law enforcement tasks should return to the Department of Justice. Ideally, INS and the Border Patrol refer cases to a U.S. attorney, who decides whether someone has committed a crime and whether to prosecute them. What we have now is ICE is investigating immigration crimes, making arrests and pressing charges against people, along with the Border Patrol, and DoJ is not allowed discretion — even to prioritize resources on more serious offenses — on who to prosecute. Reports broadly indicate this is diverting resources from drug investigations, human trafficking, anti-gang efforts et al.

In addition, several ICE agents who specialize in homeland security investigations have complained to Congress that the bad reputation the agency has acquired is making their jobs harder. Witnesses don't want to cooperate and bystanders treat them like crap. That's obviously not good at all.

That all being said, "abolish" is not the answer here. We need an internal immigration enforcement agency. ICE may just not be the ticket.
Waste of breath, as you noted this is a shit slinging flame bait thread, not for serious discussion. After all, look at the source.
 
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Singularity

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Waste of breath, as you noted this is a shit slinging flame bait thread, not for serious discussion. After all, look at the source.
Well no, if the OP becomes irrelevant, the thread can still be fully viable. And it should be one, it's an important topic to understand.
 
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ICE apprehended hundreds of human traffickers last year, and tons of drugs.

How will the Dim open border policy help with those issues?
 

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ICE apprehended hundreds of human traffickers last year, and tons of drugs.
There's a group of ICE agents petitioning right now for reform because the agency's current stance interferes with their ability to do this ^

Mainstream Democrats are pushing for those guys to be heard out.
 
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Waste of breath, as you noted this is a shit slinging flame bait thread, not for serious discussion. After all, look at the source.
Maybe the source likes agencies that act a more like child theft rings for whatever nefarious reason.