Another new 737 crashes

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Oh my. If that pans out, it's devastating. It's one thing if a faulty part failed at the wrong moment, Murphy's Law, and crashes ensued.

If they designed a part or software into the thing that is actually causing planes to crash ...

Will have to wait for the final investigation. Faulty sensors have brought down planes. Pilots have to react properly and quickly to deal with that. This was 6 mins after take off
so altitude may still of been low.
 
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Discussion of a failed sensor which sends feedback to the autopilot functions. If sensors used on multiple planes is culprit , big problem.
Would seem odd for any of the autopilot features to be engaged just 6 minutes after takeoff....






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Would seem odd for any of the autopilot features to be engaged just 6 minutes after takeoff....






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May of been something to do with stall detection. If sensing a stall , the nose it tipped downward to gain speed. It's all part of the automation and safety systems.

Black boxes will likely sort this out.
 

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Would seem odd for any of the autopilot features to be engaged just 6 minutes after takeoff....






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A good personal friend was a pilot for Qantas. He quit about 14 years ago because it was so boring. The autopilot gets turned on at wheels up and doesn't get turned off till the tower starts telling them to wiggle around the airport they're landing at. And often that's just as they start their final turn to the heading of the runway.

His description of the average flight, mind you he's talking long haul, is wheels up, wedding ring off and where's the newspaper?

And look at all the computer control and AI advances since then.
 
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Are The Ethiopian Airlines and Lion Air Crashes Related?

Lion air crash sounds like pilot error.

The procedure was established when the 707 was introduced. The procedure is simple. The procedure has remained the same. Every property trained Boeing pilot learns the procedure and practices it in a flight simulator. It appears the Lion Air pilots who crashed did not use the procedure. The pilots who flew the plane the previous day did use the procedure. They continued to their destination, and landed safely.

Since the Ethiopian crash took place at high speed well after takeoff, there is no reason to be even slightly suspicious of elevator trim issues associated with the Lion Air crash.
 

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Three Russians also among passengers/casualties, according to Russian embassy:


MOSCOW, March 10. /TASS/. Three Russians that were killed in the Ethiopia plane crash on Sunday morning have been identified, the Russian Embassy in Addis Ababa stated on Twitter.

"Ethiopian Airlines confirmed that there had been three Russians on board its ET302 plane, which crashed today near Addis Abbaba: Ekaterina Polyakova, Alexander Polyakov and Sergei Vyalikov" the embassy informs. "We express our deepest condolences to the families of those killed." The diplomats maintain contact with the victims’ relatives and are ready to support them in this situation, the embassy added.

The Boeing 737 en route from Ethiopia’s capital of Addis Ababa to Kenya’s Nairobi crashed on Sunday morning near Debre Zeit in central Ethiopia. The plane lost contact six minutes after takeoff, the airline said. There were 149 passengers and 8 crew members onboard the plane. There are no survivors in the crash.
Three Russians killed in Ethiopia plane crash identified - embassy
 
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Oh my. If that pans out, it's devastating. It's one thing if a faulty part failed at the wrong moment, Murphy's Law, and crashes ensued.

If they designed a part or software into the thing that is actually causing planes to crash ...
Doesnt look good for Boeing. They now have said a new launch for a plane has been temporarily cancelled. Its assumed it might have the same defect as these two. Several airlines have grounded the 737 Max 8.
 
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Doesnt look good for Boeing. They now have said a new launch for a plane has been temporarily cancelled. Its assumed it might have the same defect as these two. Several airlines have grounded the 737 Max 8.

The 737 was a big seller with order numbers. Getting them out the door was a challenge to keep up.
 
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Doesnt look good for Boeing. They now have said a new launch for a plane has been temporarily cancelled. Its assumed it might have the same defect as these two. Several airlines have grounded the 737 Max 8.
Plus it has caused their stock futures price to drop more than 9% this morning.

May be just temporary.

Or, it may be a very bad omen for things to come...

Good news is that they have found the "black box".
 
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