Arctic Warming Will Likely Trigger Mid-Latitude Mega-Droughts

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Yeah right. We couldn't even deal with the Dust Bowl even though California took most of the refugees. And you are looking at many times that amount of area and population.
We've survived and overcame, ag tech and knowledge has advanced a lot in the last 80 years. We will be just fine.
 
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The problem isn't water as much as there are too many people using water. What can you do? Sell water in bottles, at least that makes a profit.
 
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Our electric is high to pay for the infrastructure. At one time is was just coal and nuclear, now it's paying grants for wind, water, solar and bio-mass and hooking everything up. Plus, VAT was 0%. Because of the EU, we pay a 5% green tax. I tried running my house on electric only, the bill was £200 per month but the daft thing is, electric producers are on quotas so they stop producing at a certain level. So because of the cost, I burn wood and use oil. So to get onto renewable electric is not feasible/affordable. So the way forward is, burn wood and watch the sea level rise.

The policies to combat global warming have the opposite effect. They should make the green alternatives cheaper and polluting ones dearer.
When oil prices get below a certain level, they shut down fracking operations and drilling new wells. The oil producers have been monitoring and limiting production for years to keep prices higher. OPEC is an example of that. Energy suppliers like your electric company are part of an industry that wants to maximize profit. Your best chance of having cheap energy will be when technology allows you to own your own source of energy production. If for example there were advances in affordable solar panel and battery technology, then consumers would be able to purchase those and “cut the cord”. Another way would be if neighborhoods or small communities could invest in thier own electricity producing sources. The fossil fuel industry will continue to lobby against this type of thing and push for laws and regulations that keep them in the game.
 
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California is mandating solar on new home construction, but they are limiting how much solar production you can have so that it protects the utility companies. A necessary precaution they say.
 
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Nonsense, look at went on the US during the 20th century, horse and buggy to supersonic passenger travel, look at the advance in agriculture. We will have no problem dealing with a 2+ degree rise in temperature over the next century.
This is really quite daft. We are living in a world which has thus far warmed only about a degree since the start of the Industrial Revolution. And yet look around. "In the late summer of 2017, three major hurricanes arose in the Atlantic at once, proceeding at first along the same route as thought they were battalions of an army on the march. Hurricane Harvey, when it struck Houston, delivered such epic rainfall that it was described in some areas as a '500,000-year event'....That same season, an Atlantic hurricane hit Ireland, 45 million were flooded from their homes in South Asia, and unprecedented wildfires turned much of California into ash....In 2016, a 'thousand-year flood' drowned small-town Ellicott City, Maryland, to take but one example almost at random; it was followed, two years later, in the same small town, by another. One week that summer of 2018, dozens of places all over the world were hit with record heat waves, from Denver to Burlington to Ottawa; from Glasgow to Shannon to Belfast; from Tbilisi, in Georgia, and Yerevan, in Armenia, to whole swaths of southern Russia. The previous month, the daytime temperature of one city in Oman reached above 121 degrees Fahrenheit, and did not drop below 108 all night, and in Quebec, Canada, 54 died from the heat. That same week, 100 major wildfires burned in the American West, including one in California that grew 4,000 acres in one day, and another, in Colorado, that produced a volcano-like eruption of flames, swallowing an entire sub-division and inventing a new term, 'fire tsunami', along the way. On the other side of the planet, biblical rains flooded Japan, where 1.2 million were evacuated from their homes. Later that summer, Typhoon Mangkhut forced the evacuation of 2.45 million from mainland China, the same week that Hurricane Florence struck the Carolinas, turning the port city of Wilmington briefly into an island and flooding large parts of the state with hog manure and coal ash. Along the way, the winds of Florence produced dozens of tornadoes across the region. The previous month, in India, the state of Kerala was hit with its worst floods in almost a hundred years. That October, a hurricane in the Pacific wiped Hawaii's East Island entirely off the map. And in November, which has traditionally marked the beginning of the rainy season in California, the state was hit instead with the deadliest fire in its history----the Camp Fire, which scorched several hundred square miles outside of Chico, killing dozens and leaving many more missing in a place called, proverbially, Paradise."

And that's all in a world with only ONE degree of warming!

The excerpt was from a book titled The Uninhabitable Earth, a book you should read, so that you would be more informed on this issue. A world warmed by 2 degrees will be VERY difficult for the human race to adapt to. But that's not the biggest problem. The biggest problem is this: On current trends, we are going to blow right through that threshold, and are headed for a world with THREE or FOUR degrees of warming, which will be nothing less than CATASTROPHIC.
 
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This is really quite daft. We are living in a world which has thus far warmed only about a degree since the start of the Industrial Revolution. And yet look around. "In the late summer of 2017, three major hurricanes arose in the Atlantic at once, proceeding at first along the same route as thought they were battalions of an army on the march. Hurricane Harvey, when it struck Houston, delivered such epic rainfall that it was described in some areas as a '500,000-year event'....That same season, an Atlantic hurricane hit Ireland, 45 million were flooded from their homes in South Asia, and unprecedented wildfires turned much of California into ash....In 2016, a 'thousand-year flood' drowned small-town Ellicott City, Maryland, to take but one example almost at random; it was followed, two years later, in the same small town, by another. One week that summer of 2018, dozens of places all over the world were hit with record heat waves, from Denver to Burlington to Ottawa; from Glasgow to Shannon to Belfast; from Tbilisi, in Georgia, and Yerevan, in Armenia, to whole swaths of southern Russia. The previous month, the daytime temperature of one city in Oman reached above 121 degrees Fahrenheit, and did not drop below 108 all night, and in Quebec, Canada, 54 died from the heat. That same week, 100 major wildfires burned in the American West, including one in California that grew 4,000 acres in one day, and another, in Colorado, that produced a volcano-like eruption of flames, swallowing an entire sub-division and inventing a new term, 'fire tsunami', along the way. On the other side of the planet, biblical rains flooded Japan, where 1.2 million were evacuated from their homes. Later that summer, Typhoon Mangkhut forced the evacuation of 2.45 million from mainland China, the same week that Hurricane Florence struck the Carolinas, turning the port city of Wilmington briefly into an island and flooding large parts of the state with hog manure and coal ash. Along the way, the winds of Florence produced dozens of tornadoes across the region. The previous month, in India, the state of Kerala was hit with its worst floods in almost a hundred years. That October, a hurricane in the Pacific wiped Hawaii's East Island entirely off the map. And in November, which has traditionally marked the beginning of the rainy season in California, the state was hit instead with the deadliest fire in its history----the Camp Fire, which scorched several hundred square miles outside of Chico, killing dozens and leaving many more missing in a place called, proverbially, Paradise."

And that's all in a world with only ONE degree of warming!

The excerpt was from a book titled The Uninhabitable Earth, a book you should read, so that you would be more informed on this issue. A world warmed by 2 degrees will be VERY difficult for the human race to adapt to. But that's not the biggest problem. The biggest problem is this: On current trends, we are going to blow right through that threshold, and are headed for a world with THREE or FOUR degrees of warming, which will be nothing less than CATASTROPHIC.
We don't have Global temperature data from the 19th century accurate to fractional degrees, it is silly to claim so.

So you are backing up your drought warning by citing flooding?
 
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We don't have Global temperature data from the 19th century accurate to fractional degrees, it is silly to claim so.

So you are backing up your drought warning by citing flooding?
There is NOTHING in my post about temperature data from the 19th century being accurate to fractional degrees, where on EARTH are you getting that from?!??

Most of the flooding events cited there are in COASTAL regions, duh! Hurricane Harvey came and SAT over the Houston area, and dumped EPIC, and I mean BIBLICAL, amounts of rain, on Houston. Did you miss that they called it a "once-in-a-half-a-million-years event"?

It is becoming far more common to hear events described as being 'once in 500 year events'. That would mean an event likely to occur once in the history of the Roman Empire. We're told Hurricane Harvey was expected to happen once in a thousand Roman Empires. Think about that. And that was in a world with ONE degree of warming.
 
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There is NOTHING in my post about temperature data from the 19th century being accurate to fractional degrees, where on EARTH are you getting that from?!??

Most of the flooding events cited there are in COASTAL regions, duh! Hurricane Harvey came and SAT over the Houston area, and dumped EPIC, and I mean BIBLICAL, amounts of rain, on Houston. Did you miss that they called it a "once-in-a-half-a-million-years event"?

It is becoming far more common to hear events described as being 'once in 500 year events'. That would mean an event likely to occur once in the history of the Roman Empire. We're told Hurricane Harvey was expected to happen once in a thousand Roman Empires. Think about that. And that was in a world with ONE degree of warming.
You said that the Global temperature had risen by one degree since the beginning of the industrial revolution. You would have to know the Global temperature during the end of the 19th century to make that claim.

I guess they didn't have the internet to publish and distribute hurricane data in past centuries. Again, you are offering flood data as proof of drought?
 
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You said that the Global temperature had risen by one degree since the beginning of the industrial revolution. You would have to know the Global temperature during the end of the 19th century to make that claim.

I guess they didn't have the internet to publish and distribute hurricane data in past centuries. Again, you are offering flood data as proof of drought?
That's the nice thing with their cult, you just make up whatever anti-science nonsense that you want, and if anyone disagrees you accuse them of being anti-science, a "denier" and like the blasphemers of days gone, they must be silenced if not killed for their heresy.
 

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