Beto O'Rourke seen as a top contender in 2020: poll

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I don't blame Democrats who had a problem with Sanders because he refused to align as a Democrat. There's a certain arrogance in spending half your energy, during your career, attacking the Democratic Party, and then asking the Democrats to support your presidential ambitions. But, in the end, what I care about is beating Trump. If Sanders provides the best hope of that, I'll support him enthusiastically, without requiring that he become a "full-fledged" Democrat. He seems like a good man, with decent policy ideas, and more to the point he'd be vastly better than Trump.
Anyone else would be when it comes right down to it. But there's still something that rubs this whole situation wrong when a person wants to "jump ship" from their own party and align with another party only TEMPORARILY because apparently they can't get enough traction within their own party to run within it. The Democratic Party, I read, had apparently made a new policy or resolution to not align with anyone wanting to run as a Democrat that is not actually registered as a Democrat. I hope they are sticking to that now as 2020 gets nearer and people are starting to want to run as Democrats. Again, if the Democrats do not vet those folks carefully we don't know who will be coming into the party to run as a Democrat or how they would run things should they, perchance, get to win.

One just has to wonder what the difficulty is with Sanders not switching officially to the Democratic Party if he wants so badly to run in it? One would think he could just become a registered Democrat and that would pretty much be it. It would show all of America that he is now truly serious and aligned with the party that he wants to run in. But that hesitancy on his part to do so continues to be problematic. Why do that? You either like the political party enough or you don't. And if you don't you don't join it officially. The problem lies with those who just want to run as Democrats but don't want to really give up their own political party or leanings.

The best policy is of course to make sure that whomever wants to solicit their help in running in the Democratic Party is first and foremost REGISTERED as a Democrat. That should ALWAYS be the Cardinal Rule! No exceptions should be accepted or allowed.
 
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Not every Democrat is as liberal/progressive as Sanders either, especially Southern Democrats and minority Democrats, and the reason he lost the nomination
Beto would be an even worse disaster than wet behind the ears Obama.

Obama had the worst economic record in modern history, a horrible foreign policy record that ruined the live of tens of millions and created millions of refugees, and prevented a decent recovery after the recession ended in June 2009.
 
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Beto would be an even worse disaster than wet behind the ears Obama.

Obama had the worst economic record in modern history, a horrible foreign policy record that ruined the live of tens of millions and created millions of refugees, and prevented a decent recovery after the recession ended in June 2009.

Barack Obama will go down in history as one of the best US Presidents -- out here in the real world.
 
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Beto would be an even worse disaster than wet behind the ears Obama.

Obama had the worst economic record in modern history, a horrible foreign policy record that ruined the live of tens of millions and created millions of refugees, and prevented a decent recovery after the recession ended in June 2009.
The market is melting as we speak, your fucking Trumpconomy is just another GOP bubble like always.
 

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The market is way up since Trump was elected, what bubble?
Dow Jones Industrial Average growth from end of January 2009, to end of January 2011 — 8,200 to 12,000

growth from end of January 2017 to end of November 2018 *charitably cutting out* recent historic declines — 19,000 to 25,500

Percentage change Obama: 46.34

Percentage change Trump: 25.5

^ This despite massive economic stimulus in the form of increased spending and unprecedented tax cuts.
 
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He couldn't even beat Ted Cruz.

lol

I hope he is your nomination.
If he were running nationwide against cruz he would have slaughtered him. He was running against a well known senator, the incumbent, in a deeply red state, and almost beat him. Do you have any idea how fucking stupid your comment is?
 
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Dow Jones Industrial Average growth from end of January 2009, to end of January 2011 — 8,200 to 12,000

growth from end of January 2017 to end of November 2018 *charitably cutting out* recent historic declines — 19,000 to 25,500

Percentage change Obama: 46.34

Percentage change Trump: 25.5

^ This despite massive economic stimulus in the form of increased spending and unprecedented tax cuts.
DJI 2007 14k, the stock market didn't recover in Obama's first term, then only went to 19k eight years later.
 

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DJI 2007 14k, the stock market didn't recover in Obama's first term, then only went to 19k eight years later.
That's not a response. All that matters with the stock market is how fast it grows or declines over a period of time. That determines how long and how quickly an investor can make money, and how much time they have to pull out (or wait for the bottom and buy more, if they have that luxury).

Trump, despite inheriting a growth economy and employing massive stimulus — not a good idea in growth time in any event — has been unable to match the ROI produced by Obama's similarly early years. As the numbers show, he is barely keeping pace with half of Obama's early-year ROI.

And now it's declining, to the point where you've lost your ass if you invested in January 2018 and stayed in the market the whole time. It should never be a good idea to keep your money in a savings account during a growing economy. That wasn't a bad move this year.
 

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