Blue No Matter Who - except Sanders

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Lack of health care kills people really quickly, and you are ok with that. As Mark Russell once said about George W. Bush: "[he] says he is a compassionate conservative ... I wish he would make up his mind."
No it does not kill them quickly - what an idiotic comment.

Many today are without insurance coverage that could afford coverage before Obama/Pelosi/Reid "fixed" it.
 

Ian Jeffrey

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Many today are without insurance coverage that could afford coverage before Obama/Pelosi/Reid "fixed" it.
Millions have health care who could not afford it before Obamacare. Take that away, and millions will lose their coverage. It is that simple. Your story is made up.
 
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Millions have health care who could not afford it before Obamacare. Take that away, and millions will lose their coverage. It is that simple. Your story is made up.
Liar - many have free care that had none before - subsidized by others paying way too much for crappy coverage
 

Ian Jeffrey

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Liar - many have free care that had none before - subsidized by others paying way too much for crappy coverage.
Absolutely wrong ... keep spouting RW propaganda in the hope that saying it will make it true. People are able to pay for health care who could not afford it before.
 
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Absolutely wrong ... keep spouting RW propaganda in the hope that saying it will make it true. People are able to pay for health care who could not afford it before.
RW propaganda - oh that is rich! The reality is - people that could afford it before are now priced out.

That is the cold hard truth and no amount of spin alters it. I know because this house and the people I associate with are in that reality.

What we have been subjected to is nothing more than really expensive catastrophic coverage - with deductibles we cannot meet - many out of pocket expenses that do not apply to the deductible - high co pays - and few options for coverage in the first place.
 
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Ian Jeffrey

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RW propaganda - oh that is rich! The reality is - people that could afford it before are now priced out.
A very few, perhaps. The reality is that millions of people have health care now that could not afford it before. You cannot escape that, even as you seek to deprive them of it.
 
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A very few, perhaps. The reality is that millions of people have health care now that could not afford it before. You cannot escape that, even as you seek to deprive them of it.
My own experience is depending on my income I went back and forth between insurance on the exchanges & Medicaid expansion. The care is the same no matter who pays for it. I see my Dr. at the county clinic just like I did with minor issues before the ACA, if I need a specialist (my hip replacement for example) I get a referral.

Before the ACA however, I'd never have been able to get my hip replaced. As it was I limped around for about 10 years with increasing amounts of pain. My spine became curved from the loss of cartilage in my hip. If I would have had the surgery sooner, I would have avoided that damage & having to wear a lift in my shoe for the rest of my life.

As it is, I've never had any kind of cancer screening because I knew I couldn't afford to do anything about what they might find, nor could I afford to take off work for treatment or recovery. It took me 2 years to save up enough money to live on while I recovered from the hip replacement surgery.

Now I'm retired and will soon be back on the expansion, maybe I'll get my first mammogram at 62 years old.

What people don't realize about health care is that if you don't have it, you end up putting off getting diagnosed with anything so by the time you do, it requires a lot more in the way of resources and time off from work to treat it. It's actually cheaper in the long run to insure people can get care early on.

I can't speak for anyone else, but my entire reason for putting off dealing with my own personal health issues was money. Always.
 
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RW propaganda - oh that is rich! The reality is - people that could afford it before are now priced out.

That is the cold hard truth and no amount of spin alters it. I know because this house and the people I associate with are in that reality.

What we have been subjected to is nothing more than really expensive catastrophic coverage - with deductibles we cannot meet - many out of pocket expenses that do not apply to the deductible - high co pays - and few options for coverage in the first place.
Here what’s really stupid about your post: Your Dear Leader has been in office for three years, had the house for the first two years, did nothing and claimed, “no one knew healthcare was so hard.”
 
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Here what’s really stupid about your post: Your Dear Leader has been in office for three years, had the house for the first two years, did nothing and claimed, “no one knew healthcare was so hard.”
5 yrs left...

Keep bitching, moaning and complaining about it.

I'm certain you think "surely THIS time it will work"

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