Buttigieg's "Dougless Plan" to Attack Systemic Racism

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Average salary for a Cleveland teacher is about 30K at the elementary and middle school level. Not all States are like California. TBH, with the amount of wealth that lives in California, there should not be any poverty problems. Most of the 1%'ers live in California and between the State taxes collected combined with sales and property tax...your schools should be funded well. I am sure East LA has its problems just like any other. Poverty and violence goes hand in hand....every where.

Imagine 20 killings near your child's school every year. That's the reality in part of L.A.
Campus Threats, Arrests Increase During 2017-2018 LA School Year

After reading a few of these articles about LA schools, I am thinking there are not too many teachers signing up for this at 57K a year. Do they live in their cars like the professionals in Silicon Valley?
I know all states are not alike in paying teachers. I think one member said in her state, the starting pay for a teacher is 10 dollars an hour. I'm still shocked at that.

If you don't pay teachers well, then you will not get the best ones, so to speak. . Data shows that fewer people are going to college to become teachers.

My particular school district is pretty well funded because of the property tax. While other districts in CA are not, like the urban areas.

Again, I think having most of the school funding coming from property taxes is a bad idea. We do better as a country when everyone gets a good k-12 education. Good education means having good job prospects.


We used to rank pretty high when it came to our public education. Now not so much.

And that's is a shame.

I know a lot of people want to blame that on the "Unions" - when in fact, most teachers go into teaching because that is their passion. Knowing that they are not going to be millionaires by doing that job. Both my mom and dad were teachers. I had a solid middle class upbring.

Now of a lot of teachers, not so much. Work 2 jobs and have to pay for all their classroom supplies.

We are a better country than that.
 
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Again, I have no idea what you are talking about. Just because there a lot of trucking jobs doesn't not mean that other "trades" are in high demand and go wanting. But with "outdated" jobs like coal mining - yes those people should be trained for other jobs

Grads are in general, having no problem finds jobs these days

I've never advocated for "free college". So not sure what that "point" is supposed to mean.

And I guess you didn't bother to read your own link?

It’s official: The US economy doesn’t have enough workers.

For nearly a year now, the number of open jobs each month has been higher than the number of people looking for work — the first time that’s happened since the Department of Labor began tracking job turnover two decades ago

They are home health care aides, restaurant workers, and hotel staff. The shift is happening because more and more Americans are going to college and taking professional jobs, while working-class baby boomers are retiring en masse.

There’s no better time for working-class Americans to demand better wages, benefits, schedules, and work conditions. It also means immigration reform is more urgent than ever. In order to fill all the open jobs and keep the economy growing, Congress will need to allow more low-skilled immigrants to work. Legally.

So, yeah, those jobs as health care aids and restaurant workers - you know those are shitty paying jobs right?

No wonder people want better-paying jobs. You simply can't live on mim wage jobs these days.

SO you are going to ignore my post and just pretend i made a different argument for you to retort too. Tou are just gonna ignore my evidence and post and just babble on..... bot it
 
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Communism is a form of government. Socialism is a form of economy.

Democratic socialism is not only possible, it exists today in this country. Admittedly, I want much more socialism and likewise higher taxes, but I certainly do not want a less democratic country.
The form of government and the form of economics are intertwined. Communists have elections.
 
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Let's see....what drives a strong economy - the middle class. In what way does that "relate" to communism?

Did I ever suggest everyone be paid the same? Yeah, I didn't.

Again, income inequality is at it's highest levels ever.

What intrusive means do you propose to level the field. Taxes of course. There is supposed to be equality in law. Abilities is a vastly different matter.
 
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"No one's fault but their own" is 100% wrong-o. We allow harm to our neighbors, from shitty policing to lead poisoning to racist criminal justice policies to crappy health care and beyond.

We are obligated to try to mitigate that suffering, if we can.

The fact that Great Society-style programs failed does not mean nothing can be done.
A poor person can choose to make the best of what they have. Attend school, study, get good grades. Doors may open up to you. Or you can choose to be a piece of shit, stay in trouble so you will be dealing with a judicial system and jail doors.
 
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A poor person can choose to make the best of what they have. Attend school, study, get good grades. Doors may open up to you. Or you can choose to be a piece of shit, stay in trouble so you will be dealing with a judicial system and jail doors.
Thank you, Hans Christian Anderson Ii.

Actual life is not like this. Consider only one fact, though there are an array of them.

90% or more of poor urban children in the Rust Belt are lead-damaged.

‘An uphill battle’: Lead poisoning stunts students’ learning while Cleveland leaders fail to tackle lingering problem

Lead damage doesn't just lower intellectual functioning. It impairs "executive function" in the brain, resulting in increased aggression, impulsivity, etc.

It destroys lives.
 
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[D]o we really have geniuses as politicians anymore? We have seen our politicians waste so much money for poor returns that it is hard to trust whether their programs work or are we just throwing money away.
Hard to blame the politicians that we elected ourselves - in general, that is; obviously, specific people are responsible for their behaviors. It just means we need to elect better people.
 
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If you don't pay teachers well, then you will not get the best ones, so to speak.
Indeed, the same people who recognize that "you get what you pay for" are not willing to pay much for education, which merely demonstrates how much they value it.

For other people, that is. Usually, they value it for themselves alone. They fail to recognize that an educated society is best for everyone.
Good education means having good job prospects.
Generally, but not necessarily. If everyone had a good education, there would still be lousy jobs out there that someone would have to do.

Of course, much of what makes a "lousy job" comes down to the quality of supervisors/managers ... working under an asshole who has no idea how to manage people can turn a great job sour rather quickly. I discovered that on more than one occasion.
We are a better country than that.
Clearly, we are not. Not anymore, anyway. We are only better than that if we do better than that.
 

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