Climate Change Fearmongers Call for What They Wanted All Along

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Umm, what you're describing here IS population control and eugenics. ...
Improving the availability of family planning centers is not "eugenics." Family planning is not "abortion services." Family planning is a measure taken by couples; not governments. And family planning services facilitate these measures for those who voluntarily request them.

Family planning includes sex-education, contraception, advising, and informing - and most importantly, providing these for anyone who walks in the door. "Eugenics" implies that people of differing socioeconomic strata or race are targeted, or provided with alternate advice.

That's not how modern family planning works.
 
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Improving the availability of family planning centers is not "eugenics." Family planning is not "abortion services." Family planning is a measure taken by couples; not governments. And family planning services facilitate these measures for those who voluntarily request them.

Family planning includes sex-education, contraception, advising, and informing - and most importantly, providing these for anyone who walks in the door. "Eugenics" implies that people of differing socioeconomic strata or race are targeted, or provided with alternate advice.

That's not how modern family planning works.
That is exactly the propaganda used; we talk about family planning when the motivating factor is reducing the numbers of babies. So, what gets pushed when you go to a "family planning" center? The vast majority of their money comes from abortion and selling fetal tissues for profit.

Next is contraceptives.

And so on to where family planning services do virtually nothing for pregnant women wanting a child.

Eugenics isn't just genocide, there's positive and negative eugenics. Either trying to improve the "genetic stock" or to remove undesirable traits from being reproduced.

Eugenics got a bad rap after Hitler, so, change the language and push the same content.
 

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That is exactly the propaganda used; we talk about family planning when the motivating factor is reducing the numbers of babies. So, what gets pushed when you go to a "family planning" center? The vast majority of their money comes from abortion and selling fetal tissues for profit.
This has been thoroughly debunked. First off, many planning centers do not perform abortions. If you're talking about Planned Parenthood, very little of their money comes from abortions. Don't forget - they're providing services largely for those in lower socioeconomic brackets; people who have little money. Also, there was an official investigation into the "selling fetal tissue," and it turned out the amount they were charging was right on par for the cost of packaging and shipping biological materials. In fact, experts calculate that based on the prices cited in the video, Planned Parenthood was likely operating at a loss on the processing and shipping.

Next is contraceptives. And so on to where family planning services do virtually nothing for pregnant women wanting a child.
Are you dismissing the efficacy of contraceptives, or the positive impact of making them more accessible to low-income populations?

Eugenics isn't just genocide, there's positive and negative eugenics. Either trying to improve the "genetic stock" or to remove undesirable traits from being reproduced. Eugenics got a bad rap after Hitler, so, change the language and push the same content.
How is providing low-income people the same options as wealthier people "eugenics?"
 
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This has been thoroughly debunked. First off, many planning centers do not perform abortions. If you're talking about Planned Parenthood, very little of their money comes from abortions. Don't forget - they're providing services largely for those in lower socioeconomic brackets; people who have little money. Also, there was an official investigation into the "selling fetal tissue," and it turned out the amount they were charging was right on par for the cost of packaging and shipping biological materials. In fact, experts calculate that based on the prices cited in the video, Planned Parenthood was likely operating at a loss on the processing and shipping.
I'm not sure what part you believe was debunked, but since that first project veritas release there has been layers of confirmation that yes, in fact, planned parenthood sells the fetal tissue for a profit.

They probably did not account for the prices paid for the fetal tissues that works out to hundreds of thousands per abortion. The later the abortion the higher the value of the tissues.

Are you dismissing the efficacy of contraceptives, or the positive impact of making them more accessible to low-income populations?
As I mentioned, there's both positive and negative eugenics.

How is providing low-income people the same options as wealthier people "eugenics?"
The intent is to keep superior genetics breeding while removing bad genetics from continuing. When the logic is that people are poor due to bad Gene's, you have your answer.
 
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That is exactly the propaganda used; we talk about family planning when the motivating factor is reducing the numbers of babies. So, what gets pushed when you go to a "family planning" center? The vast majority of their money comes from abortion and selling fetal tissues for profit.

Next is contraceptives.

And so on to where family planning services do virtually nothing for pregnant women wanting a child.

Eugenics isn't just genocide, there's positive and negative eugenics. Either trying to improve the "genetic stock" or to remove undesirable traits from being reproduced.

Eugenics got a bad rap after Hitler, so, change the language and push the same content.
The success story cited in the article is Bangladesh, whose fertility rate has been reduced from more than 6 children per woman in the 1980s to a little over 2 today. Abortion is illegal in Bangladesh, but community health workers provide free contraception to poor people, together with healthcare and advice. This approach was first tested in limited parts of the country; and was rolled out nationwide upon confirmation that, not only did it successfully reduce birthrates, but families it was tested on became on average wealthier than those in neighbouring areas and their children stayed in school longer.

The healthcare provided to mothers by these community health workers also had the result of reducing child mortality significantly.

What a nefarious scheme.
 
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The success story cited in the article is Bangladesh, whose fertility rate has been reduced from more than 6 children per woman in the 1980s to a little over 2 today. Abortion is illegal in Bangladesh, but community health workers provide free contraception to poor people, together with healthcare and advice. This approach was first tested in limited parts of the country; and was rolled out nationwide upon confirmation that, not only did it successfully reduce birthrates, but families it was tested on became on average wealthier than those in neighbouring areas and their children stayed in school longer.

The healthcare provided to mothers by these community health workers also had the result of reducing child mortality significantly.

What a nefarious scheme.
Still eugenics.
 

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They probably did not account for the prices paid for the fetal tissues that works out to hundreds of thousands per abortion. The later the abortion the higher the value of the tissues.
Where the hell are you getting this information? plannedparenthoodismurderers.com?

The intent is to keep superior genetics breeding while removing bad genetics from continuing. When the logic is that people are poor due to bad Gene's, you have your answer.
Again - if the goal of Planned Parenthood is to provide the same services to everyone, it's not targeting any group. It's also worth noting that due to their education and contraceptive initiatives, no group has done more than Planned Parenthood to reduce the demand for abortions.
 
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