Democracy calls into question after Trump election

Southern Dad

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An example of a Democracy is three wolves and one lamb voting on what to have for dinner. The United States never has been a democracy, nor has it claimed to be.
 
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You are using the word "democracy" here as an abstraction. Democracy is a tool within a community to have power shared among the people. The global purpose of it is to promote a certain degree of solidarity, of co-decision through institutions and offer to each one the opportunity to be part of the process necessary to achieve theses aims . From this point you can build a "system" with executive, legislative and judicial power being independant from one another with the objective of creating a balance avoiding that a group can take over the other in a way leading to dictatorship, which is the rule of the few over the majority of others. Separation of power is mainly a method to avoid such dangers and to have individual rights of citizens respected. But finally democracy should enhance the welfare and freedom of the great many and would it be possible to imagine other approaches which could bring the same results ? It is why when it comes to a constitution it is dangerous to worship it even if it is a good document because it is mainly a normative interpretation of the reality people who drafted it knew and of their aims to ensure the future of the society they were living in. If reality changes the real question is how to adjust the constitution to the new existing challenges within the "constitutional system" and what remains of democracy if the system is unable to meet the new challenges. From this point of view the American Constitution which has been during a long time an excellent tool to build the Nation, looks not as effective as before to integrate these new challenges in the constitutional scenery. At least the balance of power as intended by the Founding Fathers does not work as well as before, because it breeds systematic conflicts between the Executive, Legislative and Judicial Power and does not seem able to accompany the evolution and mutations of the society. For example what should be the role of the medias in a time when there is a concentration of them in the hands of a few actors ? What about the role of money in political campaigns and how the wealthy can influence more the opinion of voters than others ? What about the people who do not vote ? Is it a danger for democracy to have so many people who do not express their opinions ? All of that questions what is behind the word "Democracy".
 
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Southern Dad

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That's a crappy example, but at least you're on board with your distaste for democracy.
Why is it a crappy example? Is it not a clear example of a democracy? Sure the lamb doesn't like democracy at the point but hey, he's outvoted. He's dinner. Our country is not and never has been a democracy. We have a democratic republic. We vote for people to make the laws for us, enforce the laws, and interpret the laws. When voting for president, it is actually a state election where we are electing electors. This has been this way since the founding of our country.
 
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Why is it a crappy example? Is it not a clear example of a democracy? Sure the lamb doesn't like democracy at the point but hey, he's outvoted. He's dinner. Our country is not and never has been a democracy. We have a democratic republic. We vote for people to make the laws for us, enforce the laws, and interpret the laws. When voting for president, it is actually a state election where we are electing electors. This has been this way since the founding of our country.
I fail to see the problem then. in a democracy, every vote counts the same as every other vote. if we had a democracy, Trump would not be president.
 
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